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shiva2999
March 24th, 2007, 6:04:43 AM
That European countries that have actually suffered under fascism's jackboot can see what's going on and Americans can't?

Germany, France, Spain, Italy and Greece, all of who are more than familiar with the fascist mindset and identify it quite clearly.

But how do Americans react to their warnings?

The miserable old-Europe Cassandras get branded as anti-Americans.

Check out this article from two months after 9/11.

Props for the Greeks for being way ahead of me...

http://www.newstatesman.com/200111260013

11 September? A Zionist plot!

Helena Smith

Published 26 November 2001

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In Greece, they burn US flags and jeer the minute's silence for New York's terror victims. Helena Smith on the most anti-American country in Europe

"What was wrong with those attacks," says the upright Greek businessman speaking of 11 September, "was that they didn't happen at night. If they had happened then, the towers and perhaps even the Pentagon would have been empty."

The businessman, let's call him Giorgos, has one of those pleasant, open faces. He wears a European Commission flag pinned to his lapel, and is explaining, quite calmly, how the average Athenian sees the day that changed the world.

"In Greece," he murmurs in a matter-of-fact way, "we regard this as a textbook case of David versus Goliath. America is overly arrogant and it needed to be brought down to earth. The attacks were the consequence of all its sins - Kosovo, Korea, Vietnam and Cyprus, a classic case of American double standards; 11 September was a taste of its own medicine."

In the birthplace of democracy - Nato's strategic arm in the south-eastern Mediterranean and Euroland's most recent addition - Giorgos's views are not unusual. If anything, they are rather tame.

From the moment the twin towers came tumbling down, the Greeks took a decidedly different approach to the tragedy and the ensuing attack on Afghanistan - one that, once again, highlights the divide that separates this country from the rest of the west. While London and Washington were still fretting about forging a common global front against terror, anti-war rallies across Greece offered evidence that it may have been prudent to examine the EU's inner sanctum first.

Repeatedly, Hellenes topped international league tables in their lack of sympathy for post-attack America. Fewer Greeks supported the US-led war than did Palestinians. Midway through the campaign, polls showed that eight in ten were vehemently opposed to the air strikes, fearing the quest for justice would turn into one of revenge. The vast majority agreed with Iran, and other Middle Eastern states, that they were being prosecuted solely to "promote the west's powerful interests".

The news of Kabul's fall was greeted with immediate scepticism: Uncle Sam, opined one Greek commander formerly attached to Nato, was clearly hoping American troops would establish a foothold in the country.

Over dinner that night, a Greek doctor asked me if I really believed Osama Bin Laden was truly behind the worst terrorist attack in history. After all, he noted, a nationwide poll in Greece had revealed two riveting facts: that only 29.6 per cent of his compatriots thought the Saudi-born fugitive had masterminded the attacks, and that 35.9 per cent were convinced the carnage was the work of the CIA - if it wasn't a Zionist plot engineered by Mossad (7.7 per cent).

"Why does Blair, that well-known gay, think he knows best?" the doctor inquired gruffly. "Doesn't he realise that there are some places in Europe where there has been hardly any support for this so-called war?"

In Greece, support has not only been minimal; anti-Americanism has been growing by the day.

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TRIPLE P
March 24th, 2007, 12:28:55 PM
That European countries that have actually suffered under fascism's jackboot can see what's going on and Americans can't?



Doesn't that kinda answer the questions you have.... human nature isn't preemptive...people are generally optimistic...and people are generally stupid.

People don't worry until something hits them, blatently, in the face.

Me...?... I'm not worried because I honestly believe humanity as a whole, throughouty time, is a giant hamster wheel......alot of action...nothing really ever happens.... sure people die but thats gonna happen anyway...and people are a dime a dozen.

Can you admire a person (or group of people) that has the sack to do what they want with an entire nation....

While I disagree with the majority of our countrys policy over the last decade part of me is impressed with the balls BushCo has... I mean...stealing an election, starting a war for profit, the patriot act, wiretaps, all that stuff.....its kind of bad-ass, above the law shit no?

You always call them pirates....well being the pirate is kinda cool...ity just sucks being on the other end.

shiva2999
March 24th, 2007, 12:34:54 PM
There's no bigger prize in the world than stealing the American government.

TRIPLE P
March 24th, 2007, 12:35:51 PM
There's no bigger prize in the world than stealing the American government.

sadly, yes.

Green Lantern
March 25th, 2007, 12:19:43 AM
Don't the banks already own it?

$7,000,000,000,000 of it, at least.

shiva2999
March 25th, 2007, 12:21:21 AM
Banks can be robbed.