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Meathead
March 23rd, 2007, 9:07:35 AM
for many years a major pet peeve of mine has been the term ‘drugs and alcohol’. the reasons why i find this phrase so troubling are:

1. alcohol is a drug. saying ‘drugs and alcohol’ is like saying ‘food and hamburgers’

2. by separating the two we are saying they are different, essentially that ‘drugs’ are unacceptable/bad and alcohol is acceptable/good. this is perpetuating a delusion

3. by perpetuating this delusion we are actively introducing all kinds of trauma and dysfunction into our lives. some examples:

a. we lose credibility with teenagers and other abusers. when a young person is lectured on the danger of ‘drugs’ and yet sees adults imbibing freely in alcohol they rightfully see this as hypocritical giving them a convenient excuse to reject the entire argument out of hand

b. by seeing them as different we introduce and perpetuate the denial about the tremendous dangers of alcohol and the damage its abuse inflicts on our society, while at the same time potentially inflating the danger of other mind altering substances

c. by not recognizing alcohol as a drug we pretend that humans dont have a drive and potentially acceptable need for mind altering substances, thus completely avoiding the responsible use argument and pushing all non-alcohol users into criminal and/or immoral territory when many of them absolutely should not be

thus we should stop using the term ‘drugs and alcohol’ and instead always use the term ‘drugs including alcohol’. this solves a great deal of the problems i have outlined above and introduces more responsibility into the entire discussion

therefore i was pleased to see this latest development on the classification of drugs by harmfulness - physical harm, dependency and effect

Alcohol 'as dangerous as heroin' (http://www.itv.com/news/britain_b3cbe0d877b5bda9d51a382a73979cf2.html)

Alcohol is as dangerous as heroin, medical experts proposing a controversial new drug classification system have said.

The table, published in The Lancet, was drawn up by a team of highly-respected scientists led by University of Bristol's Professor David Nutt and chief executive of the Medical Research Council, Professor Colin Blakemore.

Using three main factors to determine harmfulness - physical harm, dependency and effect - independent experts rated 20 drugs in each category as either "no risk" (0), "some risk" (1), "moderate risk" ( 2) and "extreme risk" (3).

Combining the scores, heroin was unsurprisingly top of the table with an overall "harm score" of 2.7, followed by cocaine which scored 2.3. Alcohol was put at just under 2 and tobacco at 1.7.

Speaking at a news briefing in London, Prof Blakemore said: "Alcohol and tobacco are way up there in the league table, with alcohol being not very far behind demonised terrors of the street like heroin."

Class A drug Ecstasy is placed near the bottom of the table scoring just over 1.1, despite it potentially leading to a seven-year prison sentence for possession.

And LSD, another class A drug, is also considered relatively safe despite its powerful hallucinogenic properties while Cannabis, which was recently downgraded to class C, also occupies a middle position on the table at just over 1.1.

Prof Blakemore added: "We hope that policy makers will take note of the fact that the resulting ranking of drugs differs substantially from their classification in the Misuse of Drugs Act and that alcohol and tobacco are judged more harmful than many illegal substances."

nehemiah
March 23rd, 2007, 9:11:34 AM
legalize it all.

Meathead
March 23rd, 2007, 9:13:16 AM
i would like to see drugs including alcohol having increasing levels of restrictions based on this kind of 'harmfulness'

Ru
March 23rd, 2007, 9:15:20 AM
I would happy with some consistency in laws and common sense and truthfulness in the treatment/punishment given to drug offenders.

Gibby
March 23rd, 2007, 11:05:58 AM
Good stuff Meat, Neh, and Ru. I am in the firm belief that illegal narcs are illegal precisely because the pharmaceutical companies do not have patents on them. Here is how I would change the drug laws, take it or leave it as it is only an opinion

Alcohol- lower to 18 you can get a bullet in your brain at 18 in Iraq and you can't drink? WTF. Otherwise same rule as cigs and the the drugs mentioned below. You can buy, but you must be at least 18, you cannot operate a motor vehicle with it, and essentially keep the other laws in place

Cigs- Essentially the same as they are today

Marijuana- Like Cigs and alcohol you can buy this at your local store/kwiki mart must prove you are 18. Cannot sell to minors and should follow similar guidelines as alcohol

All other drugs require perscription written by Doctor.

matthew94
March 23rd, 2007, 11:31:20 AM
Good post. I agree with Meathead :)

Ralonzo
March 23rd, 2007, 11:54:07 AM
I wouldn't draw equivalences between alcohol and say, opiates, hallucinogens, or other narcotics. Completely different classes of chemical.

sukie
March 23rd, 2007, 11:55:27 AM
If Alcohol is as dangerous as heroin... I'm sooooooooo screwed

rob on the job
March 23rd, 2007, 1:23:56 PM
If Alcohol is as dangerous as heroin... I'm sooooooooo screwed

So true.

Your piss alone is 90 proof.

nehemiah
March 23rd, 2007, 2:17:25 PM
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Matt
March 23rd, 2007, 2:23:27 PM
Social drinking is not in the realm of control. I very rarely drink. I have a liver disease. I still go out to parties, and the level of alcohol people take in is directly related to their ability (and then inability) to communicate with people. Kids want to relax and be able to talk with one another. Alcohol is one of the only ways they think they can do this.

I, on the other hand, am as equally quiet when I'm drunk as when I'm sober. I went on a beer pong hot streak with my partner a few months ago, we won twelve straight games. By the thirteenth game I wasn't even standing on my own power anymore, rather perched against a wall just launching the ball in the general direction of what I was looking at. Somehow we still won. :) But my buddy told me I hadn't said a word in like two hours.

In any event, perhaps some better communication and social training, combined with a lowered legal drinking age to 18 might help. In that way, the forbidden fruit stigma is kind of gone. I do think however, that if you're going to lower the drinking age to 18, you must instill stiffer penalties for those who are caught buying alcohol for minors. 18 is, in some cases, still a high school age.

nehemiah
March 23rd, 2007, 2:25:19 PM
fantastic post, tragic.

Matt
March 23rd, 2007, 2:27:13 PM
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The Kinks 60's stuff is a lot better then their 70's stuff.

nehemiah
March 23rd, 2007, 2:41:24 PM
The Kinks 60's stuff is a lot better then their 70's stuff.HORRIBLE post.

:D

muswell hillbillies is, by far, their best album.

Matt
March 23rd, 2007, 2:52:20 PM
HORRIBLE post.

:D

muswell hillbillies is, by far, their best album.

:)

I'm a little prejudice toward "Kinda Kinks", but I'm a stickler for originals or near-originals.