Three years ago today, Moores life changed.

[bduff54]

Wow, i can't believe it has been three years since The Bertuzzi incident. Time flies, i remember exactly where i was when it happened. An english pub in mississauga. He is still trying to come back. I feel for him, i really do.

http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/189616

[dilbert]

Bertuzzi learned his lesson though. The NHL punished him good!

Bad boy! Never do that again or we will be very angry!

[bduff54]

Bertuzzi learned his lesson though. The NHL punished him good!

Bad boy! Never do that again or we will be very angry!

yeah, in fairness to the NHL it was a significant suspension.

[pigpen65]

It was unfortunate, but i don't feel bad for Moore at all. He cheap shotted Naslund, then punked out when Bertuzzi challenged him to a square fight.

[dilbert]

yeah, in fairness to the NHL it was a significant suspension.

Actually, I was being sarcastic. He should have been booted from the league.

At some point, the NHL has to stand up to extremely dangerous cheap shots.


If they do that ONCE the problem will disappear.

[dilbert]

It was unfortunate, but i don't feel bad for Moore at all. He cheap shotted Naslund, then punked out when Bertuzzi challenged him to a square fight.


He was twitching on the ice and had his career ended.

I feel bad for the guy. Jaywalkers don't deserve life in prison.

[bduff54]

It was unfortunate, but i don't feel bad for Moore at all. He cheap shotted Naslund, then punked out when Bertuzzi challenged him to a square fight.

couldn't disagree more, fair hit on naslund and he already fought cooke. He should not have to fight the whole team in a 9-1 game.

I feel real bad for him, whats your dream pigpen? Well imagine somebody taking it away from you like that.

here is the clip off moores hit on naslund, wait 30 seconds.

You honestly feel that was that bad?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=634nSML35AE

[unklechucky]

Although I am not one to encourage cheap play......

Bduff you reopened that can of worms here. Moore's hit on Naslund was dirty, and this isn't me antagonizing you....but it screams of Darcy Tucker like tactics. I don't care if he already fought Cooke, you need to man up to taking out a star player. Was Bertuzzi wrong? Yes. That said, he knew Bertuzzi was after him and decided to turtle in Tucker like fashion. If he were to man up for his actions, the whole episode never even happens.

[bduff54]

Although I am not one to encourage cheap play......

Bduff you reopened that can of worms here. Moore's hit on Naslund was dirty, and this isn't me antagonizing you....but it screams of Darcy Tucker like tactics. I don't care if he already fought Cooke, you need to man up to taking out a star player. Was Bertuzzi wrong? Yes. That said, he knew Bertuzzi was after him and decided to turtle in Tucker like fashion. If he were to man up for his actions, the whole episode never even happens.

cool, i don't think the hit is dirty at all, he was a fourth line agigator, the hit is not late, it is not an elbow. He was doing his job. Why bring Tucker into this if you don't want to antagonize me, what a joke. Your hilarious chuky, you have to bring Tucker up all the time. This incident has nothing to do with him. IMHO Moore did man up by fighting cooke.

[unklechucky]

Ok, maybe indirectly at you with Tucker, but in a way to make you see how he plays dirty and then turtles or cries. Bertuzzi was Naslunds linemate at the time right?

[bduff54]

Ok, maybe indirectly at you with Tucker, but in a way to make you see how he plays dirty and then turtles or cries. Bertuzzi was Naslunds linemate at the time right?

ok lets just forget tucker for now. Yes they were linemates and best friends, i know why Bertuzzi did it, i just feel horrible for moore, his dream has been taken away from him. I just feel bad for him on a human level, thats all i was saying.

[Matt]

The way Bertuzzi went about his hit was dirty. But I really think, in my heart of hearts, that he lost his balance when he fell on top of Moore, which is where the severe injury occurred -- because Moore's head was at a bad angle with the ice.

I think Bertuzzi meant to drop Moore. I don't think he meant to trip over him, land on him and crack his neck, though.

[bduff54]

The way Bertuzzi went about his hit was dirty. But I really think, in my heart of hearts, that he lost his balance when he fell on top of Moore, which is where the severe injury occurred -- because Moore's head was at a bad angle with the ice.

I think Bertuzzi meant to drop Moore. I don't think he meant to trip over him, land on him and crack his neck, though.

yeah i don't either, but i also didn't mean to break that kids arm in high school football when i hit him late out of bounds. You have to pay for your actions, i hope moore gets some of Bertuzzi's money.

[unklechucky]

OK, Tucker aside...

As a linemate and a best friend, is exactly why Bert did it. I've played hockey, and know the same kind of sentiment when liberties are taken. I can even accept the fact that possibly Moore was trying to draw a penalty. That said, I know if I'm being antagonized to no end on the ice the way that that whole series of event did.......a penalty will be assesed, and if im tailed for that long, I know damn well somthing is coming. he had many options. He may have fough Cooke and didn't want to fight again, I can even accept that, but to turtle up the way he did was simply cowardly and the events were preventable. I do feel bad for him, but he went about things the wrong way and ultimately paid for it.

[bduff54]

OK, Tucker aside...

As a linemate and a best friend, is exactly why Bert did it. I've played hockey, and know the same kind of sentiment when liberties are taken. I can even accept the fact that possibly Moore was trying to draw a penalty. That said, I know if I'm being antagonized to no end on the ice the way that that whole series of event did.......a penalty will be assesed, and if im tailed for that long, I know damn well somthing is coming. he had many options. He may have fough Cooke and didn't want to fight again, I can even accept that, but to turtle up the way he did was simply cowardly and the events were preventable. I do feel bad for him, but he went about things the wrong way and ultimately paid for it.

Thats cool, everybody has their own opinion on it.

The bottom line is it sucks that moore can't play anymore.

[micknaboz]

The way Bertuzzi went about his hit was dirty. But I really think, in my heart of hearts, that he lost his balance when he fell on top of Moore, which is where the severe injury occurred -- because Moore's head was at a bad angle with the ice.

I think Bertuzzi meant to drop Moore. I don't think he meant to trip over him, land on him and crack his neck, though.

Lost his balance? Trip over him? You can think what you want but the video is pretty clear. He sucker punched him from behind then proceeded to jump on top of him putting his forearm against his neck/'back and driving him into the ice. Its pretty clear he intentionally drove him into the ice. F Bertuzzi, the guy shouldnt even be in the game.

[Matt]

Lost his balance? Trip over him? You can think what you want but the video is pretty clear. He sucker punched him from behind then proceeded to jump on top of him putting his forearm against his neck/'back and driving him into the ice. Its pretty clear he intentionally drove him into the ice. F Bertuzzi, the guy shouldnt even be in the game.

Jump? There was no jumping.

[micknaboz]

Jump? There was no jumping.

Whatever man. he actually didnt use his forearm neither, but he had hold of him at his back and shoulder/ neck area and intentionally drove him into the ice. Its pretty damned clear on the video, he didnt trip or fall. Bertuzzi instantly became a POS who not only should have been kicked out of hockey, but should have been arrested for assault charges.

[Matt]

Whatever man. he actually didnt use his forearm neither, but he had hold of him at his back and shoulder/ neck area and intentionally drove him into the ice. Its pretty damned clear on the video, he didnt trip or fall. Bertuzzi instantly became a POS who not only should have been kicked out of hockey, but should have been arrested for assault charges.

You're entitled to your opinion. I just watched the video. I don't know if I can really agree with what you're saying because you also claimed he "jumped" on him, and he didn't. Oh well. We're looking at it differently is all.

If Andrew Peters would have seriously injured Ray Emery, I don't think the situation would have been any different. As a Sabres fan, I still think that. Ray Emery was in goalie gear and did not have full range of motion. He was able to protect himself because he was aware of the situation. Thank goodness, because Peters was throwing some bombs.

I undertand Moore was blindsided, and that makes the situation different. But the intent wasn't different, at least this is the claim.

I don't think Andrew Peters is a piece of shit, but I don't think what he did was right. Same with Bertuzzi. To me.

[bduff54]

You're entitled to your opinion. I just watched the video. I don't know if I can really agree with what you're saying because you also claimed he "jumped" on him, and he didn't. Oh well. We're looking at it differently is all.

If Andrew Peters would have seriously injured Ray Emery, I don't think the situation would have been any different. As a Sabres fan, I still think that. Ray Emery was in goalie gear and did not have full range of motion. He was able to protect himself because he was aware of the situation. Thank goodness, because Peters was throwing some bombs.

I undertand Moore was blindsided, and that makes the situation different. But the intent wasn't different, at least this is the claim.

I don't think Andrew Peters is a piece of shit, but I don't think what he did was right. Same with Bertuzzi. To me.


what peters did was probably wrong but emery enjoyed it and was fine with it, he did not sneak up behind and him and goon him.

[Thumper]

It was unfortunate, but i don't feel bad for Moore at all. He cheap shotted Naslund, then punked out when Bertuzzi challenged him to a square fight.

You've got to be kidding. The hit on Naslund was a hard hit. He made contact with his head, but that doesn't merit what happend to Moore. He fought Cooke, he fought May, he played every shift and took every hit. If he "punked out" against Bertuzzi, that gives Bertuzzi the right to hit him in the head from behind, then drive his face into the ice, breaking his neck? What are you, a sadist?

[bduff54]

You've got to be kidding. The hit on Naslund was a hard hit. He made contact with his head, but that doesn't merit what happend to Moore. He fought Cooke, he fought May, he played every shift and took every hit. If he "punked out" against Bertuzzi, that gives Bertuzzi the right to hit him in the head from behind, then drive his face into the ice, breaking his neck? What are you, a sadist?

haha, not to mention the score was 9-1 when bertuzzi went after him.

Moore was the bigger man, Bertuzzi was the pussy

[pigpen65]

If he "punked out" against Bertuzzi, that gives Bertuzzi the right to hit him in the head from behind, then drive his face into the ice, breaking his neck? What are you, a sadist?


No. If he had fought Bertuzzi when challenged his neck wouldn't have been broken. If he hadn't cheap shotted Naslund, his neck wouldn't have gotten broken. Basically, Moore isn't innocent. He could have just as easily broken Naslund's neck. I'm not saying anything about what Bertuzzi did being justified, just that Moore could have avoided it happening a number of ways. So i don't feel bad for him. If he wasn't ready to defend himself from a challenge from Bertuzzi, like anybody watching the game cold have seen coming a mile away, he shouldn't have been playing. He should have told the coach and he should have sat out the rest of the game, and probably the rest of the games versus Vancouver. It is what it is. It was unfortunate, but i don't feel bad for him.

[pigpen65]

haha, not to mention the score was 9-1 when bertuzzi went after him.

Moore was the bigger man, Bertuzzi was the pussy


Moore wasn't the bigger man going after Naslund. A big part of the equation you are ignoring Bduff,,,, Moore caused the situtation.

[bduff54]

Moore wasn't the bigger man going after Naslund. A big part of the equation you are ignoring Bduff,,,, Moore caused the situtation.

by what? doing his job? throwing his body around against the other teams best line. The hit was not dirty at all, it sucks naslund got hurt but it is a hockey game. what happens when you take out a star? You fight the next game, what did Moore do? He fought the next game. That should have been the end of it.

[MauvaisSang]

It was unfortunate, but i don't feel bad for Moore at all. He cheap shotted Naslund, then punked out when Bertuzzi challenged him to a square fight.

So he deserved getting his neck broke, his brain damaged and his livelihood taken away? This is, frankly, one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen on this site. And that's saying something.

[bduff54]

So he deserved getting his neck broke, his brain damaged and his livelihood taken away? This is, frankly, one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen on this site. And that's saying something.

haha, i know. "Moore started it". Sounds like a 6th grader.

In that case then both Chris Neil and Cam Janssens should both be murdered on the ice.

if that hit by moore gets your neck broken then these 2 guys have no chance, who should kill janssens? I guess pavel kubina because he and Kaberle are good buddies, that makes it ok.

[beTough54]

People are blowing what pigpen is saying way out of proportion. Nobody deserves the type of injury Moore suffered, except for maybe Darcy Tucker, and I'm sure pigpen would agree with that. Moore was a weasly little punk that went out of his way to take out one of the best players in the game, and regardless of who he fought beforehand, he ignored fighting Bertuzzi because he knew he would get his ass handed to him. He could have prevented it by doing at least two things differently: not cheapshotting a world class player, and at least standing up to Bertuzzi.

[bduff54]

People are blowing what pigpen is saying way out of proportion. Nobody deserves the type of injury Moore suffered, except for maybe Darcy Tucker, and I'm sure pigpen would agree with that. Moore was a weasly little punk that went out of his way to take out one of the best players in the game, and regardless of who he fought beforehand, he ignored fighting Bertuzzi because he knew he would get his ass handed to him. He could have prevented it by doing at least two things differently: not cheapshotting a world class player, and at least standing up to Bertuzzi.
nope, not a cheap shot. watch the tape.

[pigpen65]

So he deserved getting his neck broke, his brain damaged and his livelihood taken away? This is, frankly, one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen on this site. And that's saying something.


yes, as i've said numerous times throughout this thread, he deserved to get his neck broken and never play hockey again. :rolleyes2

[pigpen65]

nope, not a cheap shot. watch the tape.

whether you think it was cheap.. we have a difference of opinions. Fine. Personally i think he purposely meant to hit him in the head and the end result was a concussion that sidelined Vancouver's allstar. Two things: Moore knew coming into the game Vancouver was coming after him. It wasn't a surprise. 2nd, Bertuzzi chased him around the ice trying to get him to drop his gloves. Moore knew he was there, could have dropped his gloves 5 different times and had a fair fight. IMO, he was trying to draw Bertuzzi into a penalty, turned his back on Bertuzzi when he knew full well he was getting chased, and what happened after that was all Bertuzzi's fault. But it could have been easily avoided by Moore. It's not about who started it first. It's about knowing full well what was coming, running from it, and leaving himself vulnerable. He shares the blame.

[bduff54]

whether you think it was cheap.. we have a difference of opinions. Fine. Personally i think he purposely meant to hit him in the head and the end result was a concussion that sidelined Vancouver's allstar. Two things: Moore knew coming into the game Vancouver was coming after him. It wasn't a surprise. 2nd, Bertuzzi chased him around the ice trying to get him to drop his gloves. Moore knew he was there, could have dropped his gloves 5 different times and had a fair fight. IMO, he was trying to draw Bertuzzi into a penalty, turned his back on Bertuzzi when he knew full well he was getting chased, and what happened after that was all Bertuzzi's fault. But it could have been easily avoided by Moore. It's not about who started it first. It's about knowing full well what was coming, running from it, and leaving himself vulnerable. He shares the blame.

cool disagree completely, nowhere in the "code" does it say you have to fight the entire team and then get your ass kicked at the end by a 240 lb monster. he fought cooke, case closed. Bertuzzi knows it too, thats why he was balling his eyes out all the time, Bertuzzi broke the code, not moore.

[pigpen65]

cool disagree completely, nowhere in the "code" does it say you have to fight the entire team and then get your ass kicked at the end by a 240 lb monster. he fought cooke, case closed. Bertuzzi knows it too, thats why he was balling his eyes out all the time, Bertuzzi broke the code, not moore.


you got it completely backwards man. The code is, if you go after a team's star, you get your ass kicked. The code is the only reason a guy like Gretzky lasted in the league for so long. He couldn't stick up for himself, if it had been open season on him he wouldn't have made it past his first Hart. Moore knew before he hits Naslund that there was going to be retribution. He certainly should have known it afterwards when he KO'd him with a shot to the head that put him in street clothes. Again, the slamming his head into the ice part is inexcusable, but if Moore owned up it never would have come to that.

[bduff54]

you got it completely backwards man. The code is, if you go after a team's star, you get your ass kicked. The code is the only reason a guy like Gretzky lasted in the league for so long. He couldn't stick up for himself, if it had been open season on him he wouldn't have made it past his first Hart. Moore knew before he hits Naslund that there was going to be retribution. He certainly should have known it afterwards when he KO'd him with a shot to the head that put him in street clothes. Again, the slamming his head into the ice part is inexcusable, but if Moore owned up it never would have come to that.

forget it, you are stuck in the dark ages.

[MauvaisSang]

yes, as i've said numerous times throughout this thread, he deserved to get his neck broken and never play hockey again. :rolleyes2

Oh right, you "don't feel sorry" that those things happened to him, but you never said he'd deserve it. Split that semantical hair a little thinner my friend.

[pigpen65]

Oh right, you "don't feel sorry" that those things happened to him, but you never said he'd deserve it. Split that semantical hair a little thinner my friend.


no way you broke 400 on the SAT's..

[Guy Incognito]

Apparently, Chris Simon decided to honor Bertuzzi.

[MauvaisSang]

no way you broke 400 on the SAT's..

No way, you had to get skin-grafts on your knuckles.