Democratic hopeful Obama apologies for saying soldiers' lives 'wasted' in Iraq

[ticatfan3]

http://www.macleans.ca/world/wire/article.jsp?content=w021357A

[JLB]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/13/obama.apology.ap/index.html

NASHUA, New Hampshire (AP) -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is apologizing for saying the lives of the more than 3,000 U.S. troops killed in the Iraq war were "wasted."

During his first campaign trip this weekend, the Illinois senator told a crowd in Iowa: "We now have spent $400 billion and have seen over 3,000 lives of the bravest young Americans wasted." (Watch Obama announce his candidacy)

He immediately apologized on Sunday, saying the remark was "a slip of the tongue."

During an appearance Monday in Nashua, New Hampshire, he apologized again, telling reporters he meant to criticize the civilian leadership of the war, not those serving in the military.

"Even as I said it, I realized I had misspoken," Obama said. "It is not at all what I intended to say, and I would absolutely apologize if any (military families) felt that in some ways it had diminished the enormous courage and sacrifice that they'd shown."

Obama made his second visit to New Hampshire on Monday, following his speech Saturday announcing his candidacy in Illinois on Saturday and a visit to first-caucus state Iowa.

[nehemiah]

those lives were wasted.

why are you right-wingers so gawdamned afraid of the FACTual truth of it?

[shiva2999]

Not just wasted.

Criminally wasted.

[shiva2999]

those lives were wasted.

why are you right-wingers so gawdamned afraid of the FACTual truth of it?

They could care less if people die as long as the niceties are respected.

[uppy]

those lives were wasted.

why are you right-wingers so gawdamned afraid of the FACTual truth of it?

Why are you moonbats so afraid to admit we are at war ?

[uppy]

Not just wasted.

Criminally wasted.

Does that include the Canadian Troops that have gave there lives in the war

on terror ?

[shiva2999]

Does that include the Canadian Troops that have gave there lives in the war

on terror ?

There is no War on Terror.

[uppy]

There is no War on Terror.

Thankyou Shiva

[ICRockets]

Why are you moonbats so afraid to admit we are at war ?

Nobody is denying that we are at war. Why are you so afraid to deny that the deaths we have suffered in this war were entirely without purpose?

[JLB]

Why are you moonbats so afraid to admit we are at war ?

Reality is a mo fo!

[JLB]

Nobody is denying that we are at war.

Shiva is.

[ticatfan3]

There is no War on Terror.There is shiv, they terror us ,we kill them and visa versa. But I want to be on the winning side.

[shiva2999]

Shiva is.

Be honest jlb.

What did I say?

[uppy]

Nobody is denying that we are at war. Why are you so afraid to deny that the deaths we have suffered in this war were entirely without purpose?

Some have denyed that we are at war on terror....but to your question.

I belive this country has not been attacked since the start of the war.

Those Troops that have gave there lives have helped to achive that.

[shiva2999]

There is shiv, they terror us ,we kill them and visa versa. But I want to be on the winning side.

When did Afghanistan "terror" us ticat?

Much less Iraq?

[uppy]

Be honest jlb.

What did I say?

What does post #8 say ?

[JLB]

There is no War on Terror.

This.

[ICRockets]

Some have denyed that we are at war on terror....but to your question.

I belive this country has not been attacked since the start of the war.

Those Troops that have gave there lives have helped to achive that.

I, too, deny that we at war on terror. We're not. We're at war with the middle east, specifically Iraq. Just like the War on Drugs, the War on Terror is just empty rhetoric.

And your logic doesn't really work. It's similar to the "bear insurance" in one episode of The Simpsons.

Or, to tie this thread into another current topic, the USA has not been attacked since Jack Bauer appeared on television.

You can point out that something has not happened since a specific time, but you can't prove that the 2 things are definitively related.

[JLB]

Wow yikes and holy ****ing poop!

[uppy]

I, too, deny that we at war on terror. We're not. We're at war with the middle east, specifically Iraq. Just like the War on Drugs, the War on Terror is just empty rhetoric.

And your logic doesn't really work. It's similar to the "bear insurance" in one episode of The Simpsons.

Or, to tie this thread into another current topic, the USA has not been attacked since Jack Bauer appeared on television.

You can point out that something has not happened since a specific time, but you can't prove that the 2 things are definitively related.

I respect your opinion on the war on terror,, its wrong but I do respect it.

You still stand by your remarks about the Troops lives being wasted I see.

[shiva2999]

This.

That's right.

Now what did uppy say?

[unklechucky]

Again...ohhh the poor troops thing. These soldiers were not drafted, they knew exactly what they were doing when they signed their name on the X. Weather its a jackass or an elephant in the WH, these soldiers are here to follow the orders of the Commander in Chief. They enlisted on their own free will, so "therefore not a waste."

[uppy]

the semantics lesson starts now Jlb...lol

[shiva2999]

Again...ohhh the poor troops thing. These soldiers were not drafted, they knew exactly what they were doing when they signed their name on the X. Weather its a jackass or an elephant in the WH, these soldiers are here to follow the orders of the Commander in Chief. They enlisted on their own free will, so "therefore not a waste."

Proudly supporting the troops obligation to die for nothing.

[shiva2999]

the semantics lesson starts now Jlb...lol

I'm fighting the War on Stupidity.

[JLB]

the semantics lesson starts now Jlb...lol

Remember that river in Egypt?

Keep smiling or your gonna ****ing poop yourself.

[ICRockets]

Again...ohhh the poor troops thing. These soldiers were not drafted, they knew exactly what they were doing when they signed their name on the X. Weather its a jackass or an elephant in the WH, these soldiers are here to follow the orders of the Commander in Chief. They enlisted on their own free will, so "therefore not a waste."

I'm not sure how 'it isn't a waste because they knew what they were doing' makes sense.

If a bright young kid gets addicted to heroin and ends up strung-out for the next 20 years of his life, do people not say that it's a waste of a potentially outstanding future? Knowing what you're getting into doesn't mean it isn't wasteful.

[ckg68]

Again...ohhh the poor troops thing. These soldiers were not drafted, they knew exactly what they were doing when they signed their name on the X. Weather its a jackass or an elephant in the WH, these soldiers are here to follow the orders of the Commander in Chief. They enlisted on their own free will, so "therefore not a waste."

This guy might tend to disagree with you on the details...for instance,what about soldiers who are on their second or third tours of duty in Iraq? Ipso facto,that could be mean they were drafted. Or the "stopgap" draft,where soliders who've served can be called back into service at any time?

http://www.mediastudy.com/articles/av2-1-07.html

[uppy]

This guy might tend to disagree with you on the details...for instance,what about soldiers who are on their second or third tours of duty in Iraq? Ipso facto,that could be mean they were drafted. Or the "stopgap" draft,where soliders who've served can be called back into service at any time?

http://www.mediastudy.com/articles/av2-1-07.html


Carl,are the troops fighting the war on terror in Afghanistan ?

[sahlensguy]

those lives were wasted.

why are you right-wingers so gawdamned afraid of the FACTual truth of it?

Sounds to me it's Obama who is afraid of it.

[uppy]

Remember that river in Egypt?

Keep smiling or your gonna ****ing poop yourself.

You should see the tap dance durring the lesson.

[unklechucky]

It's still all a cowardly argument. The military housed you, clothed you, fed you, educated you and even paid you. Time to man up on your end of the deal and you cry that you are going to war? When you enlisted you knew that you could do multiple tours. You are free to go once you've served what you were obligated to...Stop sucking America's teat and pay back your end of the deal.

[shiva2999]

"Ours is not to wonder why, ours is but to do or die" ~ The Charge of the Light Brigade

[uppy]

"Ours is not to wonder why, ours is but to do or die" ~ The Charge of the Light Brigade

Question Shiva...have you ever said "the war in Iraq is not part of the

WAR ON TERROR" ?

[unklechucky]

"Ours is not to wonder why, ours is but to do or die" ~ The Charge of the Light Brigade


I'm all for thought and wondering, but these soldiers put some thought into enlisting, did they not think that maybe they could possibly be called into action?

[shiva2999]

I'm all for thought and wondering, but these soldiers put some thought into enlisting, did they not think that maybe they could possibly be called into action?

What is the oath they take?

[uppy]

Question Shiva...have you ever said "the war in Iraq is not part of the

WAR ON TERROR" ?

[shiva2999]

Question Shiva...have you ever said "the war in Iraq is not part of the

WAR ON TERROR" ?

How can the war in Iraq be part of the War on Terror if there is no War on Terror?

[uppy]

How can the war in Iraq be part of the War on Terror if there is no War on Terror?

I understand your point..however ,do you recall ever saying the war in Iraq is

not part of the "war on terror"

[shiva2999]

I understand your point..however ,do you recall ever saying the war in Iraq is

not part of the "war on terror"

Don't be cute. Plumbers don't do cute very well.

Say what you mean.

[JLB]

Don't be cute. Plumbers don't do cute very well.

Say what you mean.

I beg to differ if you need em their real ****ing cute lol.

[uppy]

Don't be cute. Plumbers don't do cute very well.

Say what you mean.

I think the question is clear...I'm just asking if you recall saying:"The war in

Iraq is not part of the war on terror"

[shiva2999]

I think the question is clear...I'm just asking if you recall saying:"The war in

Iraq is not part of the war on terror"

Uppy, I have over 30,000 posts.

at 30 words a post, that's a million words.

So give me a break huh?

Plus, it's not as if you're above twisting my words.

So once again, get to the point.

[uppy]

Uppy, I have over 30,000 posts.

at 30 words a post, that's a million words.

So give me a break huh?

Plus, it's not as if you're above twisting my words.

So once again, get to the point.

Thats fair...I respect that,hell ,I don't recall what I posted last week.

Thankyou Shiva.

[JLB]

Sounds to me it's Obama who is afraid of it.

Somehow everybody skipped that part.

[shiva2999]

Obama is afraid of the right-wing scoundrels who'll wrap themselves in the flag and cry great big crocodile tears over children THEY THEMSELVES sent to die.

[uppy]

Why where thay sent to die ?

[shiva2999]

Why where thay sent to die ?

They're your goons. Hired muscle.

That's what they do. Kill and die.

[uppy]

They're your goons. Hired muscle.

That's what they do. Kill and die.


Goons? Do you mean our Troops....or are you talking about the guys from

Halliburton ?

[shiva2999]

Goons? Do you mean our Troops....or are you talking about the guys from

Halliburton ?

I mean everyone who's involved with ****ing over Iraq, whether they wear a uniform or not.

iraq is a war crime.

Get out and pay reparations.

[JLB]

How will Obama's apoligy make a difference?

[uppy]

I mean everyone who's involved with ****ing over Iraq, whether they wear a uniform or not.

iraq is a war crime.

Get out and pay reparations.

I see...the Troops are war criminals "Goons" that just kill,and the US needs

to get out and pay repartions.

Does that hold for the "Goons" in uniform severing in Afghanistan too ?

Tell me Shiva,should the US withdraw its troops from all countrys outside

of North America ?

[shiva2999]

I see...the Troops are war criminals "Goons" that just kill,and the US needs

to get out and pay repartions.

Does that hold for the "Goons" in uniform severing in Afghanistan too ?

Tell me Shiva,should the US withdraw its troops from all countrys outside

of North America ?

Within reason.

There are no land wars to be fought anymore in the civilized world.

[uppy]

Within reason.

There are no land wars to be fought anymore in the civilized world.

What does "within reason" mean...I'm just a plumber sometimes I don't

understand.


There are no land wars to be fought anymore in the civilized world

How do you deal with terrorists or states that use terror with out land wars ?

[shiva2999]

What does "within reason" mean...I'm just a plumber sometimes I don't

understand.


If countries don't want you their you should leave.

Other than that bases for logistical support are okay.

How do you deal with terrorists or states that use terror with out land wars ?

The biggest state sponsors of terror are the US and Britain.

International terrorism is a creation and tool of the CIA and MI-5.

[uppy]

[QUOTE=shiva2999;1548504]If countries don't want you their you should leave.

Other than that bases for logistical support are okay.

Cool,but I was asking you if you thinks the US should withdraw its troops from all

countrys outside of North America

The biggest state sponsors of terror are the US and Britain.

International terrorism is a creation and tool of the CIA and MI-5.

If Yasser Arafat was still around he would call you a bullshiter .

[ICRockets]

It's still all a cowardly argument. The military housed you, clothed you, fed you, educated you and even paid you. Time to man up on your end of the deal and you cry that you are going to war? When you enlisted you knew that you could do multiple tours. You are free to go once you've served what you were obligated to...Stop sucking America's teat and pay back your end of the deal.

Let me get this straight...

...because the dead soldiers are not complaining that their lives were wasted, nobody else should be allowed to complain about it?

[Mouldsie]

It is a waste. He shouldn't have apologized. He shouldnt have had to do it in order to save face because people shouldnt be irrational.

[sahlensguy]

Obama is afraid of the right-wing scoundrels who'll wrap themselves in the flag and cry great big crocodile tears over children THEY THEMSELVES sent to die.

Give me a Dem who isn't afraid to say what they mean and won't back down from it and I'd even prob vote for him (or her).

[ICRockets]

Give me a Dem who isn't afraid to say what they mean and won't back down from it and I'd even prob vote for him (or her).

You know, I seem to remember one of those. I wonder what happened to him...

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/5/b/dean_scream_pic_small.jpg

[uppy]

Dean was a stand up Guy and told it as he saw it..But the Democrat primary

rejected it.

[ICRockets]

Dean was a stand up Guy and told it as he saw it..But the Democrat primary

rejected it.

It still pisses me off that people were dumb enough to pick Lurch over somebody with the charisma and the courage to call Bush on his bullshit.

Hell, it pisses me off that people were dumb enough to pick Lurch over somebody with charisma and courage.

[uppy]

Dean would have lost the election as kerry did...but he could have ingaged

in the war on terror debate two years ago.Perhaps had that happend then

the country would be toghter now.

[ICRockets]

Dean would have lost the election as kerry did...but he could have ingaged

in the war on terror debate two years ago.Perhaps had that happend then

the country would be toghter now.

Yes, I'm sure the man who declared over and over that 'life is good' over the Dems failure to get anything done in their first 100 hours is really upset that the country is divided.

[Meathead]

I beg to differ if you need em their real ****ing cute lol.
even fat bald and with a carpenters crack that could sink california

[JLB]

It is a waste. He shouldn't have apologized. He shouldnt have had to do it in order to save face because people shouldnt be irrational.

E-Rock whether it was right or wrong it took guts!

He made a judgement that it was worth saying.

It will be used against him most likely by his own party.

The far left may loose some enthusiasm and they have that right.

Hillary really can't afford to open her mouth.

Her position on the whole mess is well to put it honestly unknown.

[JLB]

even fat bald and with a carpenters crack that could sink california

Espescially with the crack!

[uppy]

Yes, I'm sure the man who declared over and over that 'life is good' over the Dems failure to get anything done in their first 100 hours is really upset that the country is divided.

I'm upset the country is divided over the war on terror...not over

the demos failure to get anything done on the home front

[dasaybz]

Regardless if the soldiers wasted their lives or not, a presidential candidate should not come out and say they wasted their lives. People take offense to that and it's really not good publicity to say such a thing.

This guy is a tool and he's only beginning to show his true colors.

[ICRockets]

Regardless if the soldiers wasted their lives or not, a presidential candidate should not come out and say they wasted their lives. People take offense to that and it's really not good publicity to say such a thing.

This guy is a tool and he's only beginning to show his true colors.

I think you desperately need to change your user icon.

Barack Obama is on record as admitting he smoked marijuana, "and I inhaled. That was the point."

[ICRockets]

I'm upset the country is divided over the war on terror...not over

the demos failure to get anything done on the home front

Oh, ok, that makes sense.

Republicans don't have to be burdened with the notion of bipartisanship. It's the Democrats that should just concede everything they believe in for the growth of America.

Excuse me while I go vomit.

[uppy]

I think you desperately need to change your user icon.

Barack Obama is on record as admitting he smoked marijuana, "and I inhaled. That was the point."


He smokes cigareetts

[ICRockets]

He smokes cigareetts

Oh noes! He can't be a Democrat, he's got his hands in the pockets of Big Tobacco!!

[twosheds]

I predict Obama will get 100% of the woman and gay vote. He'd be the hottest president ever.

[JLB]

I predict Obama will get 100% of the woman and gay vote. He'd be the hottest president ever.

Mr. President is what we'll be calling him in January 2009.

With the women and gay vote this thing is over folks!

[notacon]

This is what the right-wing has wrought...chicken-shit politics and politicians.

Obama commits the cardinal sin in politics...speaking the truth...and then "apologizing" and blaming a slip of the tongue.

So afraid of the power of the lying right-wing smear machine echo chamber, Obama is shamed into lying about his telling of the truth.

Of COURSE over 3000 troops lives were WASTED!!!

Anyone with half a brain and a little self respect has to admit that this is sadly and absolutely true.

The vulgarity of that waste of lives is that it was because it was done at the whim of the ass hole Bush.

This has got to be one of the most disgusting human beings ever in American public life.

The national nightmare cannot end soon enough!

[uppy]

Oh noes! He can't be a Democrat, he's got his hands in the pockets of Big Tobacco!!


I have nothing against smokers

[dasaybz]

I think you desperately need to change your user icon.

Barack Obama is on record as admitting he smoked marijuana, "and I inhaled. That was the point."

hilarious

Some dude with a picture of a fat guy giving the thumbs up at a high school football field is asking me to change my icon ... hahahhaha

[JLB]

hilarious

IC is a pistol!

You knew he did weed you were just funnin with the avatar no?

[dasaybz]

IC is a pistol!

You knew he did weed you were just funnin with the avatar no?

Of course man ... some people have no sense of humor

[ticatfan3]

When did Afghanistan "terror" us ticat?

Much less Iraq?24 canadians died in 9/11, And I meant the western world , my mistake.

[ICRockets]

hilarious

Some dude with a picture of a fat guy giving the thumbs up at a high school football field is asking me to change my icon ... hahahhaha

Did I ask you to? Nope. I just pointed out that it was grossly misaccurate.

And how in the hell am I supposed to know you knew it was wrong and had it as a joke? Jesus Christ, man, you're one of the Top 5 Range Members whose hatred of Bill Clinton has been extremely well-documented, and you expect me to think you're capable of making a joke about Democrats instead of trying to point out some sort of lie you think you've cleverly caught them in?

As for my own icon, forgive me for believing that a user icon of MYSELF as the mascot of Ithaca COLLEGE, might be useful to people trying to get an idea of who they're talking to. Go **** yourself.

[dasaybz]

Did I ask you to? Nope. I just pointed out that it was grossly misaccurate.

And how in the hell am I supposed to know you knew it was wrong and had it as a joke? Jesus Christ, man, you're one of the Top 5 Range Members whose hatred of Bill Clinton has been extremely well-documented, and you expect me to think you're capable of making a joke about Democrats instead of trying to point out some sort of lie you think you've cleverly caught them in?

As for my own icon, forgive me for believing that a user icon of MYSELF as the mascot of Ithaca COLLEGE, might be useful to people trying to get an idea of who they're talking to. Go **** yourself.

You honestly make me laugh man. I can see your face getting red as you type this.

:beerme:

[ICRockets]

You honestly make me laugh man. I can see your face getting red as you type this.

:beerme:

If thinking that you're so important in the online world as to infuriate a college kid on a freakin' snow day helps you sleep at night, go for it.

[dasaybz]

If thinking that you're so important in the online world as to infuriate a college kid on a freakin' snow day helps you sleep at night, go for it.

Dude, lighten up.

I didn't know that was you in that picture. I didn't think that people actually put pictures of themselves up on message boards.

[shiva2999]

If thinking that you're so important in the online world as to infuriate a college kid on a freakin' snow day helps you sleep at night, go for it.

Cheer up

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[uppy]

Dude, lighten up.

I didn't know that was you in that picture. I didn't think that people actually put pictures of themselves up on message boards.


See that good looking guy in my avatar...thats me my man...lol

[dasaybz]

See that good looking guy in my avatar...thats me my man...lol

you look drunk

[uppy]

you look drunk

Hung over

[JLB]

you look drunk



http://www.standrewsplumber.com/plumbing/plumber.gif

But good looking for and old plumber dude!

[dasaybz]

Hung over

I'd put my picture up, but then all the ladies on the range wouldn't be able to contain themselves.

[dasaybz]

http://www.standrewsplumber.com/plumbing/plumber.gif

But good looking for and old plumber dude!

Old plumber dudes rock.

My buddies dad is an old plumber dude. I've drank many pops with him.

[JLB]

Hung over

http://slapnose.com/images/blog/0404/0404_plumber.jpg

This is the view we never want to see Upstart lol.

[uppy]

Whats with this Old Shit !

[JLB]

I'd put my picture up, but then all the ladies on the range wouldn't be able to contain themselves.

Same with me roflmao!

[uppy]

I'd put my picture up, but then all the ladies on the range wouldn't be able to contain themselves.


Hows the baby doing BTW ?

[JLB]

Whats with this Old Shit !

Mature plumber then lol.

[JLB]

Hows the baby doing BTW ?

Bump the better post good question Uppy!

[dasaybz]

Hows the baby doing BTW ?

Aw man, the baby is doing terrific. She's starting to crawl and growl and hold on to me while she stands up. She really makes me happy every time I come home from work. Kids are the best.

[JLB]

Aw man, the baby is doing terrific. She's starting to crawl and growl and hold on to me while she stands up. She really makes me happy every time I come home from work. Kids are the best.

You bet your ass they are.

Wait 20 something years the grandkids really kick ass.

[dasaybz]

You bet your ass they are.

Wait 20 something years the grandkids really kick ass.

Hahahhaha, damn dude, I think I'll just enjoy her for now when she's 7 months old.

hahaha, your too funny

[uppy]

Aw man, the baby is doing terrific. She's starting to crawl and growl and hold on to me while she stands up. She really makes me happy every time I come home from work. Kids are the best.

Thats great my man....enjoy it while it lasts

My baby is 16 and going for her driver's license next week...

Life is not-good

[dasaybz]

Thats great my man....enjoy it while it lasts

My baby is 16 and going for her driver's license next week...

Life is not-good

Ouch, dad has to be kinda stressed out eh?

I am not looking forward to that age. Nothing but trouble.

[JLB]

Thats great my man....enjoy it while it lasts

My baby is 16 and going for her driver's license next week...

Life is not-good

Scary time!

[dasaybz]

Welp, take it easy guys, I'm headin out.

3 more days til I leave for the Caribbean ... muahahhahah!!!

Ya mon!!!

[uppy]

Ouch, dad has to be kinda stressed out eh?

I am not looking forward to that age. Nothing but trouble.


You should hear her talk about the New Freedom she thinks is comming.....

I keep thinking about that beach boys song .....when her daddy takes the

T-bird away.

[Ralonzo]

There is no War on Terror.

Oddly enough, I'll concede this point. You can't wage war against an enemy tactic. That would be like declaring a "War On Aviation" after Pearl Harbor. We all know - nudge nudge wink wink - what enemy we're really talking about. Oddly (or not), nascent Socialists like FDR never were made to explain to the people why internment camps were necessary - it was just understood.

Perhaps this is a euphemistic bow to the press-driven politically-correct lemming herd that is approximately half of the American populace at this point, but in any tactical or strategic sense a "War On Terror" is a non-sequitur. This is a war on Islamism, and we really shouldn't be made to read between the lines to parse that.

[Ralonzo]

He smokes cigareetts

Wacky cigareets! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM_vLk1I6G4)

[uppy]

It looks like a day in the PR@S.

This is a war on Islamism


BTW....its islamic fascists

[Green Lantern]

It looks like a day in the PR@S.




BTW....its islamic fascists

We've been through this. Fascism is the belief of religion in the service of the state. Islam is the belief of the state in the service of religion.

[unklechucky]

Can we get a little more original with replies people. im reading the same boring answers from the same boring people.