OJ. On the evidence, do you think he did it?

[shiva2999]

As we all know, on the basis of the evidence, OJ was found not guilty in criminal court but was found culpable in civil court.

In other words (an Gil can correct me if I'm wrong), the vast majority of the evidence pointed to OJ as the culprit, but nothing in the evidence could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that OJ was the killer.

So, what do I think?

I think he's guilty as sin.

And that's not only based on the legal "evidence", but also the evidence.

What do you think?

[dasaybz]

do you think that Kennedy was assassinated by 1 man?

[nehemiah]

the juice is loose!

OJ was framed.

FACT.

[JLB]

The Juice did it.

[JLB]

Teddy should be in prison.

[shiva2999]

the juice is loose!

OJ was framed.

FACT.

Seriously?

[JLB]

the juice is loose!

OJ was framed.

FACT.

C'mon nehe you know better lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI-9QAeHP5s&mode=related&search=

[rob on the job]

the juice is loose!

OJ was framed.

FACT.

I think OJ did the crime, but as forensics expert Herbert MacDonnell proved conclusively on the stand, the LAPD fabricated blood-stain evidence -- such as the sock found in OJ's bedroom, and the blood droplets on his fence.

A few years later, the LAPD was wracked by scandal involving ... surprise, surprise -- faking and handling of evidence, as well as ethics improprieties.

Given the choice between a guilty individual and a guilty police department, the greater threat to society is a guilty police department.

The criminal jury made the right decision.

[Victor7]

OJ did it !!

[nehemiah]

i'm 100% serious.

the LAPD is a racist POS organization whose members have systematically framed people of color over its entire existence.

i see no reason to believe why they didn't do it in this case.

[pmoon6]

Let's see, his blood at the crime scene. Goldman's and Nicole's blood at his house.

Open and shut and if any of you really believe that Furhmann planted the blood, you are out of your minds.

[JLB]

O.J. did the crime period.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI-9QAeHP5s&mode=related&search=

[matthew94]

Oddly enough, he was framed for a murder he actually committed

[gilchristfan]

Oddly enough, he was framed for a murder he actually committed


That was a popular snippet (sp.) at the time ~~~they're framing a guilty man.

[shiva2999]

the LAPD is a racist POS organization whose members have systematically framed people of color over its entire existence.


This is true but so what?

Just because there were racist LA cops trying to frame him doesn't mean he didn't do it.

[shiva2999]

I think OJ did the crime, but as forensics expert Herbert MacDonnell proved conclusively on the stand, the LAPD fabricated blood-stain evidence -- such as the sock found in OJ's bedroom, and the blood droplets on his fence.

A few years later, the LAPD was wracked by scandal involving ... surprise, surprise -- faking and handling of evidence, as well as ethics improprieties.

Given the choice between a guilty individual and a guilty police department, the greater threat to society is a guilty police department.

The criminal jury made the right decision.

That isn't the question however.

I'm asking whether YOU believe he did it.

[dilbert]

Anybody who thinks the murdering POS is innocent is insane.

BTW, he sat in box seats behind me 2-3 games this year.

[rob on the job]

Let's see, his blood at the crime scene. Goldman's and Nicole's blood at his house.

Open and shut and if any of you really believe that Furhmann planted the blood, you are out of your minds.

MacDonnell proved conclusively that the bloody sock was tampered with -- the victims' blood was found on both sides of the sock, which could not be possible if OJ were wearing it at the time.

The blood on the gate, MacDonnell showed, came as a result of being placed there rather than being smudged.

Remember, Fuhrmann swore on oath that he never used the N word ... and a tape subsequently showed he used the word more than 30 times in the course of one interview.

So, yeah, Fuhrman is the type of guy who would plant evidence.

[dilbert]

OK Rob.

He lost a glove at the crime scene. The golve went on the same hand that he cut up when he smashed a glass.

Coincidence?

Since he took the socks off, they blood could have been transfered.

Don't take the testimony of the defense teams whores as the gospel truth.

[rob on the job]

OK Rob.

He lost a glove at the crime scene. The golve went on the same hand that he cut up when he smashed a glass.

Coincidence?

Since he took the socks off, they blood could have been transfered.

Don't take the testimony of the defense teams whores as the gospel truth.

First of all, we're not talking OJ's blood on the sock and gate -- we're talking Ron and Nicole's.

How does blood splashed on the ankle of a sock seep through to the other side while still being worn?

BTW, I believe OJ did the crime. I also believe the LAPD played with the blood-evidence.

[dilbert]

If he chopped them up into pieces he would have their blood on him (including his hands).

He takes his sock off, leaving blood on the inside of the sock. And how does one show that blood was placed on a gate?

Of course it is possible that they tampered with evidence. And Johnnie C and his crew laid out a nice episode of Murder, She Wrote. But that was about it.

[rob on the job]

If he chopped them up into pieces he would have their blood on him (including his hands).

He takes his sock off, leaving blood on the inside of the sock. And how does one show that blood was placed on a gate?

Of course it is possible that they tampered with evidence. And Johnnie C and his crew laid out a nice episode of Murder, She Wrote. But that was about it.

EXCERPT:
One of the most seemingly damning pieces of evidence against Simpson was a sock found at the foot of his bed. On it, according to police, was Nicole Brown Simpson's blood. But even if it was, the defense says, it too was planted. Herbert MacDonnell said that the blood found on the socks wasn't actually splattered. According to him, it was transferred in the form of a compression stain.
MORE

link: http://www.cnn.com/US/OJ/verdict/defense/index2.html

[rob on the job]

... Don't take the testimony of the defense teams whores as the gospel truth.

Hardly.

Popular Science has called Herb MacDonnel "the father of bloodstain-pattern analysis in North America."

link: http://www.popsci.com/popsci/printerfriendly/science/7ec7359b9fa84010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html

He worked on the Jean Harris case, the Jeffrey MacDonald case, and proved that law enforcement murdered two Black Panthers.

[rob on the job]

More on the sock:

Mr. MacDonell did testify, however, that blood found on the sock picked up at the foot of Mr. Simpson's bed -- blood matching Mrs. Simpson's -- had soaked through to the other side. That suggested, he said, that when it was stained, the sock was not on someone's foot but lying flat on a surface, a claim that fortifies defense theories that the blood was planted.

"If there's something like a foot in the sock and unless there's a tremendous hole right through the ankle, there's no way that anything can go from one side of the sock to the other," said Mr. MacDonell, a scientist from Corning, N.Y.

Mr. MacDonell had previously testified that blood was initially "transferred" or "swiped" onto the sock rather than splattered on it, another sign of planting. But on cross-examination, he told Ms. Clark that the blood could have gotten on the sock if the killer had brushed his ankle against Mrs. Simpson's bloody corpse, or if in her dying moments Mrs. Simpson had grazed it with her bloody hand.
link: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=990CE5DE1F39F932A3575BC0A963958260&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fSubjects%2fF% 2fFashion%20and%20Apparel

[pigpen65]

I figured OJ was heading for a cliff Thelma and Louise style with the Bronco. Has he ever answered what the point of that was?

[ticatfan3]

I think the son did it and OJ is protecting him.

[JLB]

I think the son did it and OJ is protecting him.

I thought the same for a long time.

[dasaybz]

I think I really don't give a shit anymore.

[rob on the job]

BTW, this is what the LAPD is all about:

http://www.robertscheer.com/1_natcolumn/00_columns/021500.htm

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/lapd/scandal/

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/lapd/etc/boyer.html

http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleid.18526/article_detail.asp

[shiva2999]

I think the son did it and OJ is protecting him.

Why would the son hack up his mother and her boyfriend?

[JLB]

Why would the son hack up his mother and her boyfriend?

not his mom.

[rob on the job]

Why would the son hack up his mother and her boyfriend?

This is the son from OJ's first marriage.

[shiva2999]

So why would he want to hack up his step-mom and her boyfriend?

[westphal]

For OJ to have been framed, a multitude of law enforcement officials, many whom have never met prior to that night, would have had to have gotten together with an elaborate scheme at the drop of a hat, risking their careers (if not jail-time) in the process. Luckily, one cop had a spare size 12 Bruno Magli shoe to create footprints at Bundy and in the Bronco to plant as evidence. The limo driver, Simpson's hair on Goldman's shirt, blood evidence, fiber evidence, the infamous glove, etc.

For crying out loud, there was a virtual blood trail leading from the crime scene to his Bronco, and from his Bronco up to his bedroom. I saw a tv show...a Dateline type of thing...where they interviewed the jury members after the trial. Some of them thought that OJ probably did it, but that the police and prosecution botched the case. Others admitted to not really understanding the DNA evidence.

And why the "suicide note" and flee from justice with a disguise, passport, cash, and a gun wasn't entered into evidence is beyond me...and why was he never charged with any of that?

Cochran claiming that Fuhrman was "a lot like Hitler" still slays me.

OJ was, and is, absolutely, 100% guilty. I think that one of the problems was that the prosecution had TOO MUCH evidence, and the defense was able to pick away at all of the finer details. Also, the cops sucked. Why was Mark Fuhrman's parter never called to the stand?

This trial was a circus. It got way too out of hand, and Ito let it. Sure, we'll just let OJ try on the glove on his own...with NO supervision. OJ did it. Don't get me started.

[rob on the job]

So why would he want to hack up his step-mom and her boyfriend?

Black rage, I guess.

[shiva2999]

But didn't OJ claim Columbian drug lords were behind it?

Why doesn't anyone believe him?

[shiva2999]

Black rage, I guess.

Black rage? At what?

[rob on the job]

Black rage? At what?

Whitey, I suppose.

Hey, it's not my theory -- don't ask me to explain it.

[westphal]

But didn't OJ claim Columbian drug lords were behind it?

Why doesn't anyone believe him?
Well, it's obvious that he didn't do it because, had he done it, he would have done it differently.

I really would have loved to read that book...

"If I Did It." Catchy title, you have to admit.

[rob on the job]

... "If I Did It." Catchy title, you have to admit.

Many people don't know that the book originally was entitled, "I Didn't Chop the Bitch Up."

[shiva2999]

Well, it's obvious that he didn't do it because, had he done it, he would have done it differently.

I really would have loved to read that book...

"If I Did It." Catchy title, you have to admit.

So you don't think his claim of shadowy South American narco-terrorists as the culprits is credible?

[rob on the job]

So you don't think his claim of shadowy South American narco-terrorists as the culprits is credible?

Maybe I would if I saw anything that would support it.

BTW, are you insinuating that OJ's claim is comprable to WMDs in Iraq?

[westphal]

Many people don't know that the book originally was entitled, "I Didn't Chop the Bitch Up."
Or, the alternate title, "I woulda killed them slow."

[rob on the job]

Or, the alternate title, "I woulda killed them slow."

ROFLMAO!!!

[westphal]

So you don't think his claim of shadowy South American narco-terrorists as the culprits is credible?
I blame the Chinese mafia.

[shiva2999]

Maybe I would if I saw anything that would support it.

BTW, are you insinuating that OJ's claim is comprable to WMDs in Iraq?

No.

I'm insinuating something but this is not it.

I have already stated I think OJ did it. I'm not kidding.

[ticatfan3]

Black rage? At what?Maybe he wanted to do her and she said once you do black you never go back?lol j/k

[dilbert]

I think the son did it and OJ is protecting him.

Then the DNA would not have matched.

[dilbert]

No.

I'm insinuating something but this is not it.

I have already stated I think OJ did it. I'm not kidding.

I know you are insinuating something.


And usually, I can figure out the method to your madness.

I admit, as of now I am stumped.

[shiva2999]

I know you are insinuating something.


And usually, I can figure out the method to your madness.

I admit, as of now I am stumped.

Well, think of it this way.

Bushco = OJ

9/11 = Ron and Nicole

Osama = Columbian drug lords

So why is everyone willing to believe the preponderance of evidence against OJ and discount his claim that swarthy foreigners did it but they're not willing to believe the preponderance of evidence against Bushco and are willing to swallow his claim that swarthy foreigners did it?

Could it be because OJ is black whereas Bushco is white?

[Mouldsie]

I think OJ did the crime, but as forensics expert Herbert MacDonnell proved conclusively on the stand, the LAPD fabricated blood-stain evidence -- such as the sock found in OJ's bedroom, and the blood droplets on his fence.

A few years later, the LAPD was wracked by scandal involving ... surprise, surprise -- faking and handling of evidence, as well as ethics improprieties.

Given the choice between a guilty individual and a guilty police department, the greater threat to society is a guilty police department.

The criminal jury made the right decision.
Interesting take...

[Meathead]

i watched at least 90% of that trial and i personally am convinced beyond a reasonable doubt he did it

but you know what? as a juror i would have probably voted to acquit

the question in our legal system is not whether i believe he did it, its whether the evidence as presented makes the case

there were a couple of errors by the lapd that were so grotesque that they gave the opportunity for tampering with evidence and introduce enough reasonable doubt to acquit imo

a tragic case of somebody getting away with literal murder, at least in regards to surrendering his freedom for it

[Meathead]

i recall a couple of things but the one that stands out is that the detectives didnt immediately put collected evidence into their 'locker' but instead held onto it in a loose manner, one blood sample literally carried around in someones pocket for half a day and something of ojs (like the shoes or socks i dont remember) carried in one of their cars all day long

there was more and in the end i dont think they brought enough to overcome the errors and several other problems with their case

[shiva2999]

the question in our legal system is not whether i believe he did it, its whether the evidence as presented makes the case


Indeed, but that's not the question I asked.

Why are you willing to believe OJ did it on a preponderance of evidence and yet on the same basis are unwilling to entertain the idea Bushco puleed 9/11?

[shiva2999]

Nice little short film on how the key 9/11 myths were implanted on the day...

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/80.html

[uppy]

He was ordered to pay her $25,000 per month and goldman was laying

on "his" bed getting in OJ words "his dick sucked".

Thats all I needed to know....lol

If he was smart he would have just spent $500 on a 30-06 and tagged her

from 500 yards dumped the gun and been done with it.

He'd still be going gigs for hertz today.

[Meathead]

i dont see the connection btwn the two

[shiva2999]

i dont see the connection btwn the two

You have a mass murder with no absolutr smoking gun "proving" who did it.

So, considering motive, means, opportunity, history and post crime behaviour, a massive amount of evidence points at Bushco as the culprit.

Yet Bushco points the finger at 3rd world bad guys with only their word to go on.

Why do you believe Bushco and not OJ?

[Green Lantern]

What happened with OJ?

[westphal]

What happened with OJ?
I think he went golfing.

[shiva2999]

I think he went golfing.

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[pmoon6]

i watched at least 90% of that trial and i personally am convinced beyond a reasonable doubt he did it

but you know what? as a juror [i would have probably voted to acquit

the question in our legal system is not whether i believe he did it, its whether the evidence as presented makes the case

there were a couple of errors by the lapd that were so grotesque that they gave the opportunity for tampering with evidence and introduce enough reasonable doubt to acquit imo

a tragic case of somebody getting away with literal murder, at least in regards to surrendering his freedom for itNancy Grace factor.

White guilt.

[westphal]

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There is your killer. OJ must have been looking in the right place.

[bozman949]

I just saw this thread and I want to point out that OJ was found INNOCENT by a jury of his peers. Therefore, OJ is innocent.

[westphal]

I just saw this thread and I want to point out that OJ was found INNOCENT by a jury of his peers. Therefore, OJ is innocent.
...because we live in a perfect world?

There is nothing "a jury of his peers" saw that we didn't see.

God help you if you don't question authority.

That's like saying "it's true because I said so."

[deconstruction]

OJ continues to look for the killers!

[JLB]

OJ continues to look for the killers!

Plus he's still pretty sure he didn't do it.

[Meathead]

lol its not white guilt. and i hate nancy grace

oj did it but the combination of the botched evidence gathering, the botched prosecution, and extremely high paid lawyering up got him off

tragic but as a juror that would not be my fault

[shiva2999]

Bump for those who get it.

[mighty peace warrior]

i'm 100% serious.

the LAPD is a racist POS organization whose members have systematically framed people of color over its entire existence.

i see no reason to believe why they didn't do it in this case.

its true, in fact ron and nicole aren't even dead

ok they are the detective actually was the one who killed them

um no OJ is going to announce next week who the "real" killers are

[mighty peace warrior]

this whole thread is based on the premise that there is actual evidence Bush made 9/11 happen which of course is fantasy

[shiva2999]

Osama Bin Laden did it.

[shiva2999]

this whole thread is based on the premise that there is actual evidence Bush made 9/11 happen which of course is fantasy

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[mighty peace warrior]

your masturbatory threads make you laugh..interesting side effect.

i think you may need help, and I am quite serious about it.

[shiva2999]

your masturbatory threads make you laugh..interesting side effect.

i think you may need help, and I am quite serious about it.

Don't worry, villages need idiots too.

[Shakespeare]

The OJ angle is missing a few dead druglord/carjackers that not only killed Ron and Nicole, but also whacked Al Cowlings family at the same time.

[mighty peace warrior]

Don't worry, villages need idiots too.

good you will have a job so i wont have to feed you.

[TigerJ]

Let's put it this way: I wouldn't want my daughters to get involved with him.

[35Pete]

I just saw this thread and I want to point out that OJ was found INNOCENT by a jury of his peers. Therefore, OJ is innocent.
No. He was found not guilty, meaning that the jury didn't see enough evidence in their minds to convict.

Not guilty is a far cry from innocence.

[ticatfan3]

Very tough question, but I don't think he did it. He is taking the rap for his eldest son.