Australian leader defends verbal attack on Obama

[ticatfan3]

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=f7b00894-4cfb-4ab9-99bd-99bc5edd530a&k=75380

[rob on the job]

Must be the Foster's Lager kicking in.

[uppy]

Rohan Sullivan, Canadian Press
Published: Monday, February 12, 2007
SYDNEY, Australia - Australian Prime Minister John Howard on Monday denied having a political motive when he said terrorists in Iraq would be praying for Democratic hopeful Barak Obama to become U.S. president.

Howard, a steadfast supporter of U.S. President George W. Bush in the Iraq war, insisted his criticism of Obama's plan to withdraw U.S. combat troops in Iraq by March 31 next year was in Australia's national interest because Obama's plan would represent a defeat for Australia's most important military ally.

Nice

[Meathead]

i thought we didnt care what foreigners said about the us

[uppy]

He's an allie

[Ru]

Is that like Kate and Allie? Susan St. James rules!!!

[TheCrystalBall]

Howard is a nut.

[twosheds]

Got to love Obama's reply to Howard, which basically sais "send more troups yourself or shut up". What do the Australians have in Iraq? 1000 troups, mostly in non-combat roles? Must be nice to have others do the dirty work for you.

[ticatfan3]

Got to love Obama's reply to Howard, which basically sais "send more troups yourself or shut up". What do the Australians have in Iraq? 1000 troups, mostly in non-combat roles? Must be nice to have others do the dirty work for you.They have put more troops in than 1000 and don't forget afghanistan , and austrailia has been one of your solid backers. I don't think osbama did himself any good by marginalizing what the aussies army has done for you. And they have done a hell of alot more then the germans have.

[TheCrystalBall]

They have put more troops in than 1000 and don't forget afghanistan , and austrailia has been one of your solid backers. I don't think osbama did himself any good by marginalizing what the aussies army has done for you. And they have done a hell of alot more then the germans have.

Lunacy.

[shiva2999]

John Howard is a creep.

[twosheds]

They have put more troops in than 1000 and don't forget afghanistan , and austrailia has been one of your solid backers. I don't think osbama did himself any good by marginalizing what the aussies army has done for you. And they have done a hell of alot more then the germans have.

More civilians killed. More people coming home in coffins or without limbs. All for a country where hundreds of people die weekly in bomb attacks, and that has grown into a breeding ground for terrorists - just the opposite of what you wanted to do by removing Saddam.

Sorry - WWI, WWII, we learned out lessen (although the number of idiots grows daily). You've had Vietnam and a history of failure in the middle east. Did you learn something?

[ticatfan3]

More civilians killed. More people coming home in coffins or without limbs. All for a country where hundreds of people die weekly in bomb attacks, and that has grown into a breeding ground for terrorists - just the opposite of what you wanted to do by removing Saddam.

Sorry - WWI, WWII, we learned out lessen (although the number of idiots grows daily). You've had Vietnam and a history of failure in the middle east. Did you learn something?Well if america went in like WW2 and took out the enemy ,without worrying about civilians, this war would be over and less people probably would have died . But I am from canada and we have never been on the losing side of war, so I beleive we can do it afghanistan. But then if things are still the same in 09 when our mandate is over ,then I will want to bring all troops home and let the rest of the world deal with it.

[TheCrystalBall]

Well if america went in like WW2 and took out the enemy ,without worrying about civilians, this war would be over and less people probably would have died . But I am from canada and we have never been on the losing side of war, so I beleive we can do it afghanistan. But then if things are still the same in 09 when our mandate is over ,then I will want to bring all troops home and let the rest of the world deal with it.

But Iraq is not ww2.

[ticatfan3]

But Iraq is not ww2.So? War is war no matter where it is. And if you go in with one hand tied behind your back (as in vietnam) you lose. But by prolonging it with the way they are fighting this war more civilians will die in the long run.

[shiva2999]

So? War is war no matter where it is. And if you go in with one hand tied behind your back (as in vietnam) you lose. But by prolonging it with the way they are fighting this war more civilians will die in the long run.

Have you ever read Sun Tzu ticat?

[ticatfan3]

Have you ever read Sun Tzu ticat?No I have not,why?

[shiva2999]

No I have not,why?

It's the bible.

the world's oldest treatise on war...

http://www.kimsoft.com/polwar.htm

[ticatfan3]

It's the bible.

the world's oldest treatise on war...

http://www.kimsoft.com/polwar.htmI just googled it. lol

[ckg68]

Mr. Howard had best worry about his OWN re-election than trying to recite GOP talking points.

Australia could very well decide to turf him AND his party. They're just as pissed as Americans were last year.

[nehemiah]

They have put more troops in than 1000 and don't forget afghanistan , and austrailia has been one of your solid backers. I don't think osbama did himself any good by marginalizing what the aussies army has done for you. And they have done a hell of alot more then the germans have.:rofl:

nice.

[ticatfan3]

:rofl:

nice.
At least somebody noticed.lol

[twosheds]

But I am from canada and we have never been on the losing side of war, so I beleive we can do it afghanistan.

As a TigerCat fan, losing shouldn't be unfamiliar to you, though. :D

[ticatfan3]

As a TigerCat fan, losing shouldn't be unfamiliar to you, though. :D:baghead:

[uppy]

Mr. Howard had best worry about his OWN re-election than trying to recite GOP talking points.

Australia could very well decide to turf him AND his party. They're just as pissed as Americans were last year.


Not all Pols just think about re-election some have honor and will do the right

thing even if its not popular.The Civil War was unpopular but Abe had the

honor and balls to wage it...because it was the right thing to do.

Govering by Polls is bad for the country .

[ckg68]

This is a right move? Exactly what business does Howard have with American politics,other than being Bush's "butt boy"?

Notice,too,how no Republicans slammed Obama so Bush has to find one of his few remaining friends internationally to run some smack on him.

[Green Lantern]

Well if america went in like WW2 and took out the enemy ,without worrying about civilians, this war would be over and less people probably would have died . But I am from canada and we have never been on the losing side of war, so I beleive we can do it afghanistan. But then if things are still the same in 09 when our mandate is over ,then I will want to bring all troops home and let the rest of the world deal with it.

What does THAT mean?

[uppy]

This is a right move? Exactly what business does Howard have with American politics,other than being Bush's "butt boy"?

Notice,too,how no Republicans slammed Obama so Bush has to find one of his few remaining friends internationally to run some smack on him.

To me Carl its about the war on terror and Howard understands the fight

we are in ,and we can't just surrender to them.The Aussies know this too

and are not folding like the libbys in the US.

You ask what business does Howard have with American politics...that is

where the left gets it wrong...its about fighting terror not politics, doing

the right thing for the people that elected you to lead.

[ckg68]

Then why isn't Australia actually committing more troops to the front lines in Iraq,rather than have them in support roles? Put your money where your mouth is,Mr. Howard.

As far as the Howard question: Some on this board have wondered from time to time whether shiva,as a Canadian,even has a place on this board to comment on American politics. This is turning the argument back on its face and right IN your face.

[Green Lantern]

Thus the basic shared beliefs of the neo-cons are as follows:

Total blank-check support for the government of Israel

Hatred for the United Nations and all International rules that limit U.S. influence

A completely self-righteous view of reality that maintains all major events are a conflict between good and evil (we're always right and they're always wrong)

http://www.holology.com/neocon.html

[Green Lantern]

"Chickenhawk" n. A person enthusiastic about war, provided someone else fights it; particularly when that enthusiasm is undimmed by personal experience with war; most emphatically when that lack of experience came in spite of ample opportunity in that person’s youth.

[uppy]

Then why isn't Australia actually committing more troops to the front lines in Iraq,rather than have them in support roles? Put your money where your mouth is,Mr. Howard.

As far as the Howard question: Some on this board have wondered from time to time whether shiva,as a Canadian,even has a place on this board to comment on American politics. This is turning the argument back on its face and right IN your face.


Good question....their is some bad shit that could go down in that part of

the world and Australia could be holding back its combat troops for that.

As far as Shiva....no one has stopped him from voiceing his opionon on

American politics....I for one enjoy seeing what he thinks and the others.

I do make posts like this......"I dont' give a damn what other countrys

think" ...But Carl,is that saying don't post because I disagree with you,

NO its not.

[ckg68]

Uppy,I'm not saying YOU'VE been asking "why's Shiva posting on American politics?" Just that some have done it.

[ckg68]

And now,you have the leader of the opposition in Australia giving a hearty :upyours: to John Howard....

http://www.crooksandliars.com/ and look for the item that starts "Kevin Rudd".

[JoeMama]

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=f7b00894-4cfb-4ab9-99bd-99bc5edd530a&k=75380

John Howard is such a giant douchebag.

Here's the cool thing about Barack Obama that a lot of people don't know.

As early as fall of 2002 (when he served in the Illinois state legislature), he predicted a number of things about Iraq. He said that there would be a bloody insurgency and he predicted that the Bush administration's WMD claims would turn out to be false.

Obama had the foresight and clarity of thought to predict the Iraq mess long before the rest of our pathetic leaders.

And these vacuous attacks on him by John Howard just show what a blubbering vagina the Australian PM is.

Howard was one of these dumbasses that thought we'd be greeted as liberators, that the war would be easy, that Saddam was going to nuke America, etc.

Howard has no place to talk. He was wrong -- literally -- about every single aspect of Iraq.

[ticatfan3]

Then why isn't Australia actually committing more troops to the front lines in Iraq,rather than have them in support roles? Put your money where your mouth is,Mr. Howard.

As far as the Howard question: Some on this board have wondered from time to time whether shiva,as a Canadian,even has a place on this board to comment on American politics. This is turning the argument back on its face and right IN your face.I will tell you why, because america policy effects EVERYONE on this planet and that is why the world has a right to comment on anything america does.

[shiva2999]

I will tell you why, because america policy effects EVERYONE on this planet and that is why the world has a right to comment on anything america does.

+1.

[JLB]

:baghead:

+5 the bag is awesome lol.

[ckg68]

I will tell you why, because america policy effects EVERYONE on this planet and that is why the world has a right to comment on anything america does.

On that point,I agree.

I only brought it up because some on the board(who will remain nameless to protect the innocent..ERRR,guilty...have questioned why Shiva even posts.

[ticatfan3]

On that point,I agree.

I only brought it up because some on the board(who will remain nameless to protect the innocent..ERRR,guilty...have questioned why Shiva even posts.
Probably because he likes to piss you guys off. And it works. lol

[ckg68]

Probably because he likes to piss you guys off. And it works. lol

Never said _I_ was pissed off. Some were(and are still).