A Not-So-Modest Proposal

[Stealth01]

See the suggestions forum. I think there is a way to end all this worthless fighting. All we have to do is abolish the ToS.

No More Rules! (http://www.buffalorange.com/showthread.php?t=106151)

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Flip-flopper

[JoetheDictator]

why not, nobody enforces them anyway and the inmates have run of the asylum

[Stealth01]

Flip-flopper

I even voted for more dems than repubs last November!

What's wrong with seeing the error of your ways and advocating change?

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And that has to do with your TOS proposal how ?

[Stealth01]

You called me a flip-flopper. That's what the Democratic party is known for.

[JoetheDictator]

You called me a flip-flopper. That's what the Democratic party is known for.

easy there now. In Kanada DNC folks like me would be in the conservative party.

[coastal]

maybe you need more prayers.

[Stealth01]

maybe you need more prayers.

Sure. I'll take whatever help I can get. I think this proposal has a chance to end all the fighting over personal attacks. If they're OK and within the rules, people who don't like them will just leave and all this terrible strife and conflict can go away.

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I think it's a good one. I believe they still have to cover themselves legally over unattributed posting of other's work because of copyright infringement liability, but other than that, game on!

[sukie]

No Mods... great i can get that cheap Nokia I have been looking for but with 47 daily threads to choose from.

[Stealth01]

I think it's a good one. I believe they still have to cover themselves legally over unattributed posting of other's work because of copyright infringement liability, but other than that, game on!

Maybe, but that doesn't need to be a ToS. It's already a law!

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True, but on an anonymous message board, it's not the poster that lawyers for a newspaper would come after for copyright infringement ...it would be the board and board ownership.

[Stealth01]

True, but on an anonymous message board, it's not the poster that lawyers for a newspaper would come after for copyright infringement ...it would be the board and board ownership.

That's why you keep around a couple of admins who just go in and delete anything against the LAW. Choose the law of the state in which the server abides. NY in this case.

[JoetheDictator]

good ideas Stealth.

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Ahhhh, so Admins need to be lawyers now ?

[Stealth01]

Ahhhh, so Admins need to be lawyers now ?

I believe one of them already is. Problem solved.

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I believe one of them already is. Problem solved.

Can you afford to pay him? (They don't work for free, you know)

[Stealth01]

Can you afford to pay him? (They don't work for free, you know)

Well, that would fall on the site management, of which I am not a part. But the Range could also adopt a "pay as you go" policy where copyrights are concerned. A poster who breaks that law has to pay for the lawyer. We'd have to have everyone's credit card or PayPal info...no biggy.

Or just do one rule, then. No copyrighted material....

[SpikedLemonade]

Actually, I have been thinking that this would be a great solution for a while now.

Good suggestion Stealth!:bigasskiss:

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Well, that would fall on the site management, of which I am not a part. But the Range could also adopt a "pay as you go" policy where copyrights are concerned. A poster who breaks that law has to pay for the lawyer. We'd have to have everyone's credit card or PayPal info...no biggy.

Or just do one rule, then. No copyrighted material....

LOL! Good luck in collecting from some guy named miked marmalade.

[Stealth01]

Actually, I have been thinking that this would be a great solution for a while now.

Good suggestion Stealth!:bigasskiss:

Thanks, man! I know it seems like I flipped my lid, but I'm just tired of the continual fighting over this.

[SpikedLemonade]

Thanks, man! I know it seems like I flipped my lid, but I'm just tired of the continual fighting over this.

There might be an initial bloodletting, but I'm guessing that balance will be achieved over time.

New posters might get beat up for an "orientation period" when they post outside the social norms that are sure to develop, but that can be chawked up to being a learning experience.

[Stealth01]

Nothing wrong with some good-natured hazing!

[Stealth01]

Another advantage of abolishing the ToS is that it would un-handicap people like me.

See, I did twenty years in the military. I'm used to rules and following them. So when I break the ToS, I feel REALLY bad about it. It makes me nearly incapable of doing so sometimes. So I can't defend myself as well as I should when people who are exempt from the ToS anyway come after me.

Without a ToS to worry over, I'd be free to defend myself in whatever way I see fit.

NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!! NO MORE RULES!!

[35Pete]

Can't agree here with abolishing the TOS. The problem here, and specifically in the PRS is it is natural human behavior for us not to be thought of as impediments to the free flow of speech. You want to maximize that. Unfortunately some players will use that concept as a carte blanch to say whatever the hell they want and then scream censorship at the top of their lungs and make a huge stink when it happens. Make it such a headache that you don't even want to bother. Then the heat starts to turn up. And those that would normally be lower key, being exposed to that level of insanity over time, get absorbed into it. Now it's like pouring gas on a fire.

No, I disagree Chris. Don't abolish the TOS. I liked MPW's suggestion a while ago. Tighten it up. Lower the temperature, not raise it. And that goes for everyone. newbies, staff, long timers, whatever. You are seeing it right here with the frustration level. The first blowup, for those that don't know, occurred because I started a strict TOS thread in the PRS. For that I was acussed of abusing my authority. Didn't matter that I PMed every mod, liberal, conservative and other, asking them to remove all junk attacks that occurred. A few players here didn't like that idea and took it upon themselves to go in and trash the thread. I started deleting the attacks. I told them to stop. They didn't. I told them again. They didn't. I suspended one for a LOUSY two hours and Shiva went nuts.

So the TOS needs to be enforced more. That is my opinion. And I am no better than anyone for being lax in it's enforcement. Hell, I've gotten caught up in the sewer too. I think that we all need to do a control-alt-delete here, step back, and agree across the board that the TOS should be enforced for all. Yes, Chris. It will be enforced equally. The staff here is no different than any other staff. We have different perceptions and different views. It's one of the reasons that I always clammor for a liberal mod when an opening in the PRS is available. Different views. That's the check and balance against our being merely human. Trust me guys. Even with the NWF thing it wasn't a dozen guys rubber stamping anything. There was one hell of a lively discussion on even that one. When something like that happens the evidence is piled up and tossed on the table. I am going to unilaterally desist from this nonsense. Stricter enforcement of the TOS. And if you have an issue with it then PM a few mods if you think you are wronged. These guys are not at all afraid to get in each other's faces if you have a good case.

[anEinherjer]

**** you, Pete. :D

ABORT, RETRY, FAIL!

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Q: What do you call Pete and his bunch of scared rabbits retreating after getting their asses handed to them on the weekend ?

A: A receding hare-line

[35Pete]

Q: What do you call Pete and his bunch of scared rabbits retreating after getting their asses handed to them on the weekend ?

A: A receding hare-line

See folks. Doug's done me a huge favor with this post. This is exactly what I am talking about. Over time these comments will grate and grate at you.

Now why was a post like this even necessary?

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Rigggggggght, Pete. Abusing mod powers in organized attempt to eliminate members you disagree with politically is 'merely being human.' The only reason you're backtracking is because you got your ass handed to you, so your children of the corn have backed off.

Cheap and sleazy. Hardly 'human'
Don't you have some raid to spray ?

[35Pete]

Rigggggggght, Pete. Abusing mod powers in organized attempt to eliminate members you disagree with politically is 'merely being human.'

Cheap and sleazy. Hardly 'human'
Don't you have some raid to spray ?

So you think, huh? MOST members here I have strong political disagreements with. Never had a problem with Spiked before the jew barrage started. Always did have a problem with you though. You pretty much don't add anything but insults to this board. Really. Never had a problem with Shiva either until he decided to announce to the world that he was the boss of the Range. Don't have an issue with Aqua, ckg, Ru, decon, notacon, and scores of other people here that I strongly disagree with. Ask them if I have bullied them. No. Look at the characters involved. Look at the absolute hate in their message toward fellow posters. If they are to the left then so be it. I can't help that. This place is predominantly left anyways. Now, which of my so-called "allies" should get banned Doug? And on what basis? Show me a poster that tells another poster that his mother ****s him with a strap-on. Hell, I was going to suspend you. I actually worked through Shiva to prevent that. I went the extra mile not to. If I truly had a vendetta that would have been easily the most justifiable suspension I could ever have made. Really.

[anEinherjer]

Doug's an ass, it's pretty obvious to most. You can't find a single useful, thoughtful post of his anywhere on this board. It just doesn't exist.

The guy is the single worst troll around here.

[anEinherjer]

"asses handed to them"

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Terrorism is winning..... 8/14/2006 5:43:28 PM Expired 0 Insulted Other Member(s) Víctor7

Yes, I've done my time for that (note 'Expired') above. It's over. It's done with.

Bringing this up is yet another example of how you can't possibly think that people consider you impartial in your mod duties.

Give your head a shake, Jerky.

[35Pete]

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Terrorism is winning..... 8/14/2006 5:43:28 PM Expired 0 Insulted Other Member(s) Víctor7

Yes, I've done my time for that (note 'Expired') above. It's over. It's done with.

Bringing this up is yet another example of how you can't possibly think that people consider you impartial in your mod duties.

Give your head a shake, Jerky.

You brought it up, not me. You accused me of having a vendetta. I used your case to demonstrate it to be false. Can't have your cake and eat it too Doug. What's the point of dragging this nonsense out?

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You brought it up, not me.

Wow! I love your revisionist history. Please show me the sequence of posts where I 'brought it up' including the posts before that when you thought it necessary to mention that incident in a public forum.

You're so full of shit, your eyes are brown.

[anEinherjer]

He doesn't know what else to do, Pete. He has nothing, he offers nothing. The canuck has no clothes.

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I'll refresh your memory...this came totally unprovoked and out of the blue...

There are three Canadians on this board that I don't get along with. One who's foot I nearly put in his ass for telling a member that his mother ****s him with a strap-on, one who I previously banned for anti-semetic comments, and one who I am chopping down to size right now. Yeah. These three have no ulterior motives.

Which one are you?

[pmoon6]

So you think, huh? MOST members here I have strong political disagreements with. Never had a problem with Spiked before the jew barrage started. Always did have a problem with you though. You pretty much don't add anything but insults to this board. Really. Never had a problem with Shiva either until he decided to announce to the world that he was the boss of the Range. Don't have an issue with Aqua, ckg, Ru, decon, notacon, and scores of other people here that I strongly disagree with. Ask them if I have bullied them. No. Look at the characters involved. Look at the absolute hate in their message toward fellow posters. If they are to the left then so be it. I can't help that. This place is predominantly left anyways. Now, which of my so-called "allies" should get banned Doug? And on what basis? Show me a poster that tells another poster that his mother ****s him with a strap-on. Hell, I was going to suspend you. I actually worked through Shiva to prevent that. I went the extra mile not to. If I truly had a vendetta that would have been easily the most justifiable suspension I could ever have made. Really.You can ban me for two weeks for some of the shit I've said. I'll take it like a man and not go whining about on that other board. That's one of the amusing things about this, Chimp banned from other board, comes here and whines about it. Chimp banned here, does the same.

Another thing I find amusing is when Shiva announces his displeasure, the Canadian cartel along with some American sympathizers jump on the bandwagon to rage against the machine. I don't think Chimp should have been suspended, but that's not my decision to make.

The point is, Pete and his so called right wing cabal get pilloried by the cartel for voicing their opinion and taking it to the powers that be for an approval for action, while the cartel raises their fist in the air and cries about the inhumanity and unfairness of it all. When the cartel does it by berating a person of a different political persuasion and the person gets fed up, finally leaves, they pat themselves on the back for a job well done. "We showed that scum sucking right wing moron a thing or too".

The cartel can't have it both ways. Attacking the other side for cronyism and dirty tricks while they do the same things themselves.

Chimp will be back in two weeks, which is not along time and I'm sure we'll get to see 4 or 5 threads proclaiming his victimhood. Look at it this way, he's a martyr for the cause.

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Moonie, I was right in there with my own thread about changing tactics early Saturday morning when I saw what went down late Friday night. It was funny that two of the stunned bunnys didn't even recognize that it was about them. At that time I haven't talked to Shiva...geez, I can't remember the last time we've PM'd or emailed or called.

Did it ever occur to you that people with reasonable intelligence can see right through the sleazy moves that the 'scum sucking right wing moron's (your words, not mine) tried to pull this weekend ? And that a person with reasonable intelligence could come to those conclusions in about three seconds, on their own ?

I'll give you guys the benefit of the doubt and allow you to save face by saying that alcohol was a major contributing factor to this nonsense on the weekend...

[pmoon6]

Moonie, I was right in there with my own thread about changing tactics early Saturday morning when I saw what went down late Friday night. I haven't talked to Shiva...geez, I can't remember the last time we've PM'd or emailed or called.

Did it ever occur to you that people with reasonable intelligence can see right through the sleazy moves that the 'scum sucking right wing moron's (your words, not mine) tried to pull this weekend ? And that they could come to those conclusions in about three seconds, on their own ?

I'll give you guys the benefit of the doubt and allow you to save face by saying that alcohol was a major contributing factor to this nonsense on the weekend...Point taken, Doug.

As far as "you guys" go, I really haven't engaged in the argument. I stated my feelings in one post and that was pro Chimpie. I thought he was just trying to get a reaction as he does so often. I do the same with some of my stuff and if I go over the line, I get a nice PM to STFU. The difference between us is I know when to back down and apologize. He doesn't.

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It's from our years of playing hockey. We're taught at an early age to never back down. :D

[notacon]

Count me as one that disagrees TOTALLY with abolishing TOS. That would probaly have me leaving the site since every thread would break down into the same name calling bullshit.

That is like saying that laws against murder should be repealed because some members of our society choose to ignore them and kill other people. There is a word for that....Anarchy.

I have already stated (in a PM to Pete some time ago) that I thought the standards should be tightened. Certainly the judgment of moderators would be questioned...that is why there are moderators. There seems to be enough of them with various viewpoints...so that would prodcue the balance that is required.

Taking away all the rules is just plain wrong and not a viable solution.

If any poster does not like the rules...or how they are administered...they have the simple choice to stay away.

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Yep, good analogy :D

[rob on the job]

You guys need to settle this like real men:

DANCE-OFF!!!

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'scum sucking right wing moron' team

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Canadian Ballet Team

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[35Pete]

Wow! I love your revisionist history. Please show me the sequence of posts where I 'brought it up' including the posts before that when you thought it necessary to mention that incident in a public forum.

You're so full of shit, your eyes are brown.

You brought up a "so called vendetta". I gave an example concerning you that directly contradicted it. Directly. So if you are going to slander then it is fair game for me to use your example to exonerate myself against your nonsense. Doug. How useful is it that when you disagree with anyone on this board you go right for the balls? Why don't you ever engage in the conversation? AnEin is pretty right about this.

[35Pete]

I'll refresh your memory...this came totally unprovoked and out of the blue...

Wow. Pot, kettle, black. So. Let me get this straight. You can always go for the nuts. Anyone questions that and they are abusing their power? You're that special?

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You brought up a "so called vendetta". I gave an example concerning you that directly contradicted it. Directly.

No I didn't. Pete the bullshit is starting to leak out your ears.

Show me where I brought up a vendetta prior to your 'Look at me, I'm tough on Canadians' post above in that thread...that's where the true motivation to your failed bullshit this weekend comes out.

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You're that special?

Nope. Just honest. Unlike those lying sacks of shit you call your posts.

[35Pete]

No I didn't. Pete the bullshit is starting to leak out your ears.

Show me where I brought up a vendetta prior to your 'Look at me, I'm tough on Canadians' post above in that thread...

Yeah that's it. It's about persecuting you guys. These are the three guys that are bitching. They happen to be Canadians. And you were the first thread wrecker in that strict TOS thread. Why? Because "you" didnt' like it. And get this. "Pete was making up rules as he went along". OMG. A thread where TOS, the contract that you signed, was actually being enforced is "making up new rules". That's pretty damned pathetic. Just happens that it was you guys that went in there immediately with a concerted effort to wreck that thread. Cry me a river about the persecution horse manure.

[35Pete]

Nope. Just honest. Unlike those lying sacks of shit you call your posts.

Have some more rope D3. You're looking pretty stupid.

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Yeah that's it. It's about persecuting you guys.

It's right there in post # 1530923...see my verbatim quote in post #38 in this thread

Ahhhh, yes Crossfire...yet another failed attempt by you to turn this place into a right-wing circle jerk...

Keep grasping at straws, Pete

[SpikedLemonade]

Never had a problem with Spiked before the jew barrage started.

Well, I guess that is progress Pete.

Now you are calling it a Jew barrage -- a barrage of posts about Jews (which when I post about Israel it certainly is) -- rather than Jew bashing.

I appreciate the toning down of the name calling.

[SpikedLemonade]

I don't think Chimp should have been suspended, but that's not my decision to make.

That sums it up for me as well.

"All we are saying....give Chimp a chance..."

[SpikedLemonade]

I stated my feelings in one post and that was pro Chimpie. I thought he was just trying to get a reaction as he does so often.

That's my sense of it too.

I don't see Chimpy as a bloodthirsty guy who wants any 18 or 19 year olds dead.

[SpikedLemonade]

If any poster does not like the rules...or how they are administered...they have the simple choice to stay away.

From "Officer & Gentleman" -- "...because I have NO place to go...."

[SpikedLemonade]

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BASTARD!!!!

[shiva2999]

If any poster does not like the rules...or how they are administered...they have the simple choice to stay away.

There's only one group complaining about the rules.

And that's because they can't compete on a level playing field.

[markythebill]

I don't know about less TOS but I definitely think we should be allowed to post naked pictures of sexy women here. I don't care if kids visit this site, young girls will see all that one day anyway, and young boys will wish they could see it all one day. So everyone's happy.

More tits and ass please.

[Stealth01]

This thread is OUTSTANDING in it's complete lack of adherence the to ToS. I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SpikedLemonade]

I don't know about less TOS but I definitely think we should be allowed to post naked pictures of sexy women here. I don't care if kids visit this site, young girls will see all that one day anyway, and young boys will wish they could see it all one day. So everyone's happy.

More tits and ass please.

I wholeheartedly agree.

Some may say that the couple of female posters may NOT feel comfortable with this idea, but I think they should also participate.

Nothing wrong with them also posting naked pictures of other women or themselves here.

I think its important to be inclusive and sensitive to their need as well.

[HURLS]

I'll start if anyone doesn't disagree??