Traitor Joins The Fray

[pmoon6]

Fonda Reprises A Famous Role At Peace Rally
The Actress Speaks Out Against the War in Iraq

By Linton Weeks
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, January 28, 2007; D01



For her next act, Jane Fonda has entered the war against the Iraq war. At the tail-end of yesterday's on-the-Mall rally, organized by United for Peace and Justice, Fonda stood onstage with the Capitol behind her and addressed the sun-drenched thousands. "I haven't spoken at an antiwar rally in 34 years," she said. But, "Silence is no longer an option."

The first time Fonda, 69, spoke out for peace, the country was soul-deep in the Vietnam War. In the ensuing decades, as the nation has gone through a slew of changes, so has Fonda.

As a young woman, the daughter of actor Henry Fonda was an actress, a feminist and anti-Vietnam War activist. She morphed into a workout maven, post-feminist arm candy for billionaire media magnate Ted Turner, a vocal Christian and an autobiographer. With 2005's "Monster-in-Law," she defibrillated her movie career.

Yesterday, with her daughter, Vanessa Vadim, and two grandchildren nearby, she was again front and center as actress, feminist and opponent of war.

Her life has come full circle.

She thanked the tens of thousands of protesters for standing up to a "mean-spirited, vengeful administration" and she said she was glad to discover that the soul of America "is alive and well." One huge difference between protests then and now, she told the crowd, is military families and active service people in the present-day movement.

Children in tie-dyed shirts, grandmothers in flowered hats, kids with frizzy hair and muddy jeans danced and hoisted signs and chanted against the war and for impeachment. Despite her showbiz elegance -- blond hair, sunglasses, camel's hair coat and dark over-the-knee boots -- Fonda seemed to fit right in.

She was first known for campy movies such as "Barbarella," which was directed by first husband Roger Vadim, then for higher-shelf films such as "Klute" and "Coming Home," for which she won Best Actress Oscars. She became involved in the political world in the late 1960s, an involvement that continued with her second husband, activist Tom Hayden.

As a vocal opponent of the Vietnam War, she cut a controversial figure. She spoke at protest rallies and, in 1972, posed for a photograph with a North Vietnamese antiaircraft gun. The act was viewed by many as unpatriotic, even treasonous, and some called her "Hanoi Jane."

She has since apologized.

"Those people who would try to undermine her credibility will fail. We welcome her back to the peace community," said Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.), chairman of the Out of Iraq congressional caucus.

"She's a high-profile, outspoken American," said actor Sean Penn, while smoking a cigarette before the rally. What she means to the antiwar movement "is the same thing any of the rest of us mean to it. She's one more voting American with a conscience who is against this war."

Getting her to speak at the massive rally was a breeze, organizers said. Leslie Cagan, who works for United for Peace and Justice and is a longtime friend, e-mailed an invitation. Fonda said yes. Fonda has spoken out against the Iraq war at smaller events such as a Canadian lecture series, book signings and the recent National Conference for Media Reform in Memphis. United for Peace spokesman Hany Khalil said yesterday's rally was "one of the first times she has appeared on the national stage."

Kathy Engel, another United for Peace and Justice spokeswoman, said Fonda is important to the cause because through the years, she has been on the wave-crest of women's rights "and a myriad of issues concerning the health of our country. She's a long-distance runner."

Before the march, Fonda spoke briefly to a few hundred people at the Navy Memorial. The event was sponsored by Code Pink, an antiwar group started by women. On the other side of Pennsylvania Avenue, three dozen protesters organized by the conservative Web site Free Republic held up signs calling protesters traitors and terrorist sympathizers.

"Jaaaaannnneeeee Fonda has blood on her hands!" chanted one man with a megaphone.

"Thank you so much for being here," Fonda told the Code Pink folks over the noise. "We're going to get it done." Afterward, she hugged civil-rights activist Dick Gregory.

Asked whether she believed her presence might cause more harm than good to this antiwar movement, she snapped, "No." Then laughed. And was spirited away by handlers to the rally on the Mall.

more....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/27/AR2007012701486_pf.html

[Canisius85]

I loved her in On Golden Pond....

[uppy]

She should have been jailed for going to NV.

I forgave the bitch the first time but now F her

[JLB]

I loved her in On Golden Pond....


http://www.retrosellers.com/images/barba4.jpg

How about Barbarella?

[pmoon6]

I loved her in On Golden Pond....She was better in "Klute" and "Cat Ballou" for that matter.

[westphal]

You totally beat me to it jlb.

I swear I was just about to type that, and that picture reminded me why.

Anyway, Vietnam was pointless and so is Iraq. I don't blame her for saying so. I don't believe that either war was necessary. Calling her a traitor is old-school patriotic nonsense. As we all know, loving America doesn't mean loving everything it does.

[Ru]

Anyway, Vietnam was pointless and so is Iraq. I don't blame her for saying so. I don't believe that either war was necessary. Calling her a traitor is old-school patriotic nonsense. As we all know, loving America doesn't mean loving everything it does.

While I tend to agree with you, I think posing for pictures on enemy anti-aircraft weaponry that was used to shoot down our planes is a bit over the line.

[ICRockets]

She should have been jailed for going to NV.

I forgave the bitch the first time but now F her

And....umm....exactly how is speaking at an anti-war rally worse than posing for pictures on enemy weaponry?

[westphal]

While I tend to agree with you, I think posing for pictures on enemy anti-aircraft weaponry that was used to shoot down our planes is a bit over the line.
Kinda makes you want to skin a gook.

[Ru]

Come again?

[uppy]

And....umm....exactly how is speaking at an anti-war rally worse than posing for pictures on enemy weaponry?

IC, she made a bid deal a few years back telling people how sorry

she was for what she did back in the 60s.


Now she starts up where she left off ?

[westphal]

Come again?
Posing on weaponry is hardly comparable to killing someone for no reason.

[ICRockets]

IC, she made a bid deal a few years back telling people how sorry

she was for what she did back in the 60s.


Now she starts up where she left off ?

I don't see her going off to Iraq to hang out with the insurgency. She spoke at a protest. Huge difference.

You can be sorry for stupid decisions like the one she made and not regret the sentiment behind them at all. Fonda never said she was sorry for not supporting the Vietnam War, and she shouldn't have to. There's no treasonous act in being against this war and telling people you feel that way. If there were, we'd need to make about 50,000 more prisons in this country.

[Green Lantern]

While I tend to agree with you, I think posing for pictures on enemy anti-aircraft weaponry that was used to shoot down our planes is a bit over the line.

Over the line was Ezra Pound broadcasting during WWII on Italian radio that FDR was a fascist and wanted to take away our liberties through liberal "welfare" programs and let Germany win by moving to the US to start anew.

[uppy]

I don't see her going off to Iraq to hang out with the insurgency. She spoke at a protest. Huge difference.

You can be sorry for stupid decisions like the one she made and not regret the sentiment behind them at all. Fonda never said she was sorry for not supporting the Vietnam War, and she shouldn't have to. There's no treasonous act in being against this war and telling people you feel that way. If there were, we'd need to make about 50,000 more prisons in this country.


All we need to do is lock-up a few Hundred and the rest would shut-up :)

[ICRockets]

All we need to do is lock-up a few Hundred and the rest would shut-up :)

Haha, nice. :)

[Green Lantern]

All we need to do is lock-up a few Hundred and the rest would shut-up :)

Spoken like a true Nazi. Rule with the iron fist of fear, cow them into submission.

Democracies have no backbone, is that it?

Traitor.

[anEinherjer]

I think Fonda's appearance there is a misstep by the anti-war side. They're doing fine, public support is in their corner, and Congress is heading their way. Why bother plugging in some figure with such a controversial history? Seems to me all you'll do there is galvanize the hawks.

[uppy]

You hit the nail on the head

[Gibby]

Just curious isn't Fonda the C*NT who toured the the Hanoi Hilton and asked the POWs how they liked being baby killers and what not which made the POWs think this was an act? Isn't it true that right after this happened the POWs gave strips of paper with messages and their SSNs and names to Fonda as she shook their hands, and that immediately after shaking their hands she took the strips of paper to the camp commandant who had a number of the POWs beaten for the content of the information written on the paper?

If this is true, and I want verification, then it sickens me that she has joined the noble aims of the anti-war movement. She will destroy our cause and our credibility, and it deeply disturbs me that any anti-war protesters would welcome her. She must be shunned for her treason. Treason is not being against war, but treason is being against the troops. When you go to the enemy and collaborate with them and work with them then you are a traitor.

[35Pete]

Yeah. That's not "Supporting The Troops" is it?

And the hard left wants to know why I hate them?

[Ru]

Just curious isn't Fonda the C*NT who toured the the Hanoi Hilton and asked the POWs how they liked being baby killers and what not which made the POWs think this was an act? Isn't it true that right after this happened the POWs gave strips of paper with messages and their SSNs and names to Fonda as she shook their hands, and that immediately after shaking their hands she took the strips of paper to the camp commandant who had a number of the POWs beaten for the content of the information written on the paper?

If this is true, and I want verification, then it sickens me that she has joined the noble aims of the anti-war movement. She will destroy our cause and our credibility, and it deeply disturbs me that any anti-war protesters would welcome her. She must be shunned for her treason. Treason is not being against war, but treason is being against the troops. When you go to the enemy and collaborate with them and work with them then you are a traitor.


That would be true if you believed all those stupid, blatantly false, and misleading Conservative e-mails that circulate around to millions of people in an attempt to brainwash the stupid and ignorant among us.

[35Pete]

Let's not rewrite history here, OK?

[Gibby]

Let's not rewrite history here, OK?

who, me or Ru?

[Ru]

Either way, that story of her supposed behavior at the POW camp has been proven to be false. Some of the prisoners who were there have come out to say it is bullshit.

[Gibby]

Either way, that story of her supposed behavior at the POW camp has been proven to be false. Some of the prisoners who were there have come out to say it is bullshit.

Its just something I've heard. Do you have a link either way?

[Ru]

Its just something I've heard. Do you have a link either way?

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa110399.htm?once=true&

[Gibby]

thanks ru.

[Gibby]

However, she did whitewash VC treatment of EPWs and she did go to Hanoi in a time of war in support of the PRV which still qualifies her as traitor and I stand by my earlier position that she is a traitor and should not be allowed to pollute the purity of the current anti war movement

[Ru]

However, she did whitewash VC treatment of EPWs and she did go to Hanoi in a time of war in support of the PRV which still qualifies her as traitor and I stand by my earlier position that she is a traitor and should not be allowed to pollute the purity of the current anti war movement

And I tend to agree with you, but that email is completely exaggerated in its claims of her behavior on her visit to the enemy.

[Gibby]

And I tend to agree with you, but that email is completely exaggerated in its claims of her behavior on her visit to the enemy.

Indeed and I will give you that the letter is a hoax.

[pmoon6]

That would be true if you believed all those stupid, blatantly false, and misleading Conservative e-mails that circulate around to millions of people in an attempt to brainwash the stupid and ignorant among us.Actually, the story of the SS# first was presented in the 1987 film "The Hanoi Hilton", which was written by an Englishman who had emigrated to Canada.

[ddpderek]

Alot of people took it to the extreme during nam.

I think this is clearly different and if you dont agree with something you have the right to say so.

[pmoon6]

Jane Fonda began her participation in anti-war activities around 1967, allegedly after meeting with Communists while in France and with American citizens who were revolutionaries. Her activities included active participation in demonstrations, rallies, radio broadcasts and plays.

Jane Fonda also helped in the organization of a production group called the F.T.A. (******* The Army). This group helped to set up coffee houses near military bases where they would perform anti-war derogatory-type sketches for the visiting soldiers. The coffee-house sketches were intended to counterpoint the U.S.O. shows, such as Bob Hope and other U.S.O. sponsored performers whose performances increased morale and gave positive support to American soldiers. Some of the F.T.A. coffee house employees would mingle with the soldiers to help them to "relax and unwind", while encouraging the soldiers to desert. Some soldiers alleged that they were promised jobs and money by the F.T.A. if they deserted.

The Vietnam Veterans Against the War Organization received major financial support from Jane Fonda. Jane Fonda's F.T.A. coffee houses helped in recruiting soldiers and veterans for the Vietnam Veterans Against The War Organization. The Vietnam Veterans Against the War Organization membership was approximately 7,000 at it's highest. The Organization's membership number was comparatively low, when you consider that more than 2 1/2 million Americans served during the Vietnam War.

Jane Fonda personally sought out returning American soldiers from Vietnam to solicit them to publicly speak out against American atrocities against Vietnamese women and children during her broadcasts. North Vietnamese officials based in Canada allegedly coordinated her broadcasts.

In 1972 Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden and others traveled to North Vietnam to give their support to the North Vietnamese's Government. When she returned to the United States, she advised the news media that all of the American Prisoners of War were being well treated and were not being tortured.

As the American POWs returned home in 1973, they spoke out about the inhumane treatment and torture they had suffered as prisoners of war. Their stories directly contradicted Jane Fonda's earlier statements of 1972. Some of the American POWs such as Senator John McCain, a former Presidential candidate, stated that he was tortured by his guards for refusing to meet with Jane Fonda and her group. Jane Fonda, in her response to these new allegations, referred to the returning POWs as being "hypocrites and liars."

The Wall Street Journal (August 3, 1995) published an interview with Bui Tin who served on the General Staff of the North Vietnam Army and received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975. During the interview Mr. Tin was asked if the American antiwar movement was important to Hanoi's victory. Mr. Tin responded "It was essential to our strategy" referring to the war being fought on two fronts, the Vietnam battlefield and back home in America through the antiwar movement on college campuses and in the city streets. He further stated the North Vietnamese leadership listened to the American evening news broadcasts "to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement."

Visits to Hanoi made by persons such as Jane Fonda, former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and various church ministers "gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses." Mr. Tin surmised that "America lost because of its democracy; through dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win." Mr. Tin further advised that General Vo Nguyen Giap (Commanding General of the North Vietnam Army) said the 1968 Tet Offensive was a defeat.

The military defeat of North Vietnam after the Tet Offensive of 1968 became a political victory for North Vietnam because of anti-war demonstrations and the sensationalism of the news media. The North Vietnamese interpreted the U.S. reaction to these events as the weakening of America's resolve to win the war. The North Vietnamese believed that victory could be theirs, if they stayed their course.

From 1969 until the end of the war, over 20,000 American soldiers lost their lives in a war that the United States did not have the resolve to win. The sensationalism by the American news media and the anti-war protests following the 1968 Tet Offensive gave hope to Communist North Vietnam, strengthening their belief that their will to succeed was greater than ours. Instead of seeking a successful resolution at the Paris Peace Conference following the disastrous defeat of the 1968 Tet Offensive, they employed delay tactics as another tool to inflame U.S. politics. This delaying tactic spurned further anti-war demonstrations. Those who sensationalized their reporting of the war and those who supported anti-war demonstrations are guilty of giving our enemy hope. Because of their actions, they must share partial responsibility for those 20,000 + Americans deaths.

We won the war on the battlefield but lost it back home on the college campuses and in the city streets.

must realize that there are agents* operating in this Country attempting to undermine our Country and it's leadership through our democratic principles in an effort to achieve a foreign country's goal. A prime example of such a person during the Vietnam War was Jane Fonda, an admitted Socialist, who blatantly supported North Vietnam. * Agent - Any person who works to obtain the goals of another nation either for money or for their own political beliefs.

A valuable lesson was taught by North Vietnam to other nations on how the United States may be defeated by fighting a two front war - the battlefield and the American home front. We must be aware of this vulnerability.

In 1975, after the fall of the South Vietnam Government, Jane Fonda returned to Hanoi with her newborn son Troy for a celebration in her honor for the work she had done for North Vietnam. During the celebration, her son was christened after a Viet Cong hero, Nguyen Van Troi. Troi had attempted to assassinate Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara while on his visit to South Vietnam in 1963. The South Vietnam Government executed Troi for this attempted assassination.

I have heard and read that some people believe that Jane Fonda was simply young and impressionable. Jane Fonda was born on December 21, 1937. She was 34 years old when she made her infamous trip to North Vietnam and was in her 30's when she participated in anti-war demonstrations and rallies. During this same time period a large number of young American soldiers, who had not yet reached their 21st birthday, were fighting the war in Vietnam and were held accountable for all of their actions. These same young soldiers were, upon their return to the United States, still not of legal age to vote or buy alcoholic beverages. Jane Fonda was an adult when she made these conscious decisions and actions, and as such, she is responsible and should be held accountable. The Vietnam Memorial Wall contains the names of 25,493 American soldiers who served their Country and paid the ultimate price for freedom who were under the age of 21 (Casualty Statistics).

http://www.vietnamwar.com/janefonda.htm

[anEinherjer]

Alot of people took it to the extreme during nam.

I think this is clearly different and if you dont agree with something you have the right to say so.

I have no issue with her stating her opposition to the fight in Iraq. I just don't think it's bright to give the right such an obvious target. The lefties and anti-war folks like to talk about "emboldening" (embiggening? :)) the enemy - this just emboldens the hawks.

[uppy]

Its happening again only the anti-war people are helping the terrorists

this time

The Wall Street Journal (August 3, 1995) published an interview with Bui Tin who served on the General Staff of the North Vietnam Army and received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975. During the interview Mr. Tin was asked if the American antiwar movement was important to Hanoi's victory. Mr. Tin responded "It was essential to our strategy" referring to the war being fought on two fronts, the Vietnam battlefield and back home in America through the antiwar movement on college campuses and in the city streets. He further stated the North Vietnamese leadership listened to the American evening news broadcasts "to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement."

[westphal]

Its happening again only the anti-war people are helping the terrorists

this time
Your first mistake is thinking that a victory in Iraq would mean a victory over terrorism in any way. The two really aren't connected. In fact, there is not a good reason to be over there. We can't change thousands of years of tradition unless we stay there indefinately and make them do what we want them to. Who are we to tell someone else how to live?

[pmoon6]

Its happening again only the anti-war people are helping the terrorists

this timeI don't think so Uppy, it's different in Iraq. We have already took the ground and installed a new government. It's up to them to take it from here. We can't police Iraq forever.

[uppy]

Your first mistake is thinking that a victory in Iraq would mean a victory over terrorism in any way. The two really aren't connected. In fact, there is not a good reason to be over there. We can't change thousands of years of tradition unless we stay there indefinately and make them do what we want them to. Who are we to tell someone else how to live?

Iraq is just part of the war on terror...victory in Iraq is a small part of the war

that will go on for decades IMO...the hate of bush has allowed the MSM

to brain wash the young and moonbats in this country.

IMHO, the failure to firmly establish this theme has been one of our major

failures. We simply lost the language skirmish to the Left, who talk about two

wars - Afghanistan and Iraq. They should have been set up as campaigns in

the larger war against islamic totalitarianism, no different from North Africa in

WWII. This also puts people thinking about a long war, which was predicted.

Bush failed to do this and allowed the left to push its anti-Bush agenda,

and that is to win power...**** the country

[uppy]

I don't think so Uppy, it's different in Iraq. We have already took the ground and installed a new government. It's up to them to take it from here. We can't police Iraq forever.


Pmoon we need the bases in Iraq to fight the war on terror....the thing

that has pissed me off is people have talked about two wars when infact

its just one battle in Iraq....we are in for a long fight this is just the start.

If a moonbat becomes Prez in "08" he or she will cut and run and in time

a Bomb will go off in one of our citys.

[westphal]

The war on terror is against a system of subversive underground operations. Overthrowing this government or that and forcing people of different cultures to live up to our specifications doesn't stop terrorism. In fact, it's this type of American behavior that makes the terrorists hate us so much. It's adding fuel to the fire. They hate us sticking our nose where it doesn't belong, and so we invade a country preemptively. That should help.

[uppy]

The war on terror is against a system of subversive underground operations. Overthrowing this government or that and forcing people of different cultures to live up to our specifications doesn't stop terrorism. In fact, it's this type of American behavior that makes the terrorists hate us so much. It's adding fuel to the fire. They hate us sticking our nose where it doesn't belong, and so we invade a country preemptively. That should help.


I don't think we are trying to make people live up to our specifications.

Or force people of different cultures to live up to our standards...

They attacked us over and over in the 90s when we did nothing and

will attack us even when we go in preemptively. This is a long war

and the battle in Iraq is just a part of it.After 9/11 Mr Bush told the

country this war will go on long after he leaves office...what he did

not say was if we fail to stand up to the threat today it will not

go away....people in this country are like sheep and bit on the

agenda of the left from the MSM.

The islamic totalitarianism will not go away if we cut and run in the

war on terror it will just get stronger.

[deconstruction]

All we need to do is lock-up a few Hundred and the rest would shut-up :)

Way to uphold the tenants of democracy uppy!

[Mouldsie]

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