Let's watch closely tonight.

[bduff54]

for years i have heard the leafs get the benefit of calls from the referee's. I have always found this baffling considering they have never won anything and the closest they ever got was marred by a missed call by Kerry fraser. (they may have lost anway, but still).

so let's just watch this game tonight and see if the refs are completely one sided towards the leafs.

it should be interesting to see.

[beTough54]

Lots of threads about the game already, including one started by you and even a thread specifically about officiating when it comes to the Leafs.

I don't watch games closely to watch officials anyways. I watch to see the Sabres beat the Leafs over and over again.

[bduff54]

thats cool man, but if we keep track of this specific game we can actually see if it is happening every single time like people suggest. i will do it myself i don't care. i will post every single penalty with a little write up. other can give me there opinion on it.

[Bay Side]

Queefs are done!!

[Denverbillsfan]

Bduff don't tell me last game the Sabres didn't get a few bullshit calls. Homerism doesn't suit you well.

[beTough54]

First bad call of the game: Robitaille's suit. Ugh.

[bduff54]

Bduff don't tell me last game the Sabres didn't get a few bullshit calls. Homerism doesn't suit you well.

honestly man, i didn't see last game at all. You can ask anyone, it was actually only the 3rd game i missed all year. that why i started this thread, because soem guys said "every" game the leafs play the refs try and make them win.

[bduff54]

penalty #1: Battaglia for holding. easy call, no doubter.

[bduff54]

penalty #2: cross check on Mccabe. Probably a penalty, nice little flop by briere too

[beTough54]

That was interference as well as cross checking. Not even close.

[bduff54]

haha, it was a penalty for sure. but it was no interference, don't think ya know the rules boss.

[beTough54]

Interference is hitting a player who doesn't have possession of the puck. Briere didn't have the puck.

[bduff54]

only 2 penalties so far, pretty well called game.

[Denverbillsfan]

I saw two trips that were not called in the beginning of the game. Blatant stick between the legs.

Can't deny that Bduff.

[bduff54]

the one on mccabe? yeah it was close, there was a hit from behind by the sabres also early in the game. but the refs are choosing to let them play a bit.

[Denverbillsfan]

I noticed that after some calls were not called.

[Sabres244]

Hits: Buffalo 17
Toronto 10

just pointing it out

[bduff54]

ok, but the leafs have yet to have a PP so you can't complain. and you had a 5-3. 2nd period starting

[Denverbillsfan]

I am personally terrified when we get a PP. Either we look like crap or we give up a shorthanded goal.

[bduff54]

peanlty #3. spacek for high-stick. easy call

[beTough54]

Nice dive by the Leafs to draw that one.

[beTough54]

He never hit him bduff, AND the Leaf grabbed the stick right before hand.

[bduff54]

dive? it hit him right in the face? your a fool.

peamlty #4. gaustad for a lazy hook. could have let it go maybe.

[bduff54]

He never hit him bduff, AND the Leaf grabbed the stick right before hand.

your a joke, i saw the replay twice it hit ondrus right in the face, if you can't be honest get ou tof here.

[JLB]

Lets just beat the crap out of these guys lets go boys!!!

[bduff54]

peanlty #5. battaglia for a hook. similar to gaustads, lazy

[bduff54]

let me get an opinion on this. do you guys think the puck was under raycroft and the whistle should have blown?

[MLLE2383]

not even close, especially the way i've seen that being called as of late. Refs have not been blowing the whistle quickly in that situation, from what i've seen. It would have hit the fan had they blown the whistle.......

[MLLE2383]

What do you have to say about that BDUFF??????????????

HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE CALL

Chalk one up for the Leafs.;......

[bduff54]

i agree micktko.

penalty #6. afinoganov for interference, looks like a great hit but with the new rules it is a penalty, i hate that. i thought it was a great play but it was the correct call.

[beTough54]

Awful awful call on Maxim for daring to hit a Leaf. What a chickenshit call.

[bduff54]

What do you have to say about that BDUFF??????????????

HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE CALL

Chalk one up for the Leafs.;......

man i hate the rule but if you know them it is definitely a penalty, stajan had yet to touch the puck and he nailed him. it sucks but it is the rule

[ICRockets]

i agree micktko.

penalty #6. afinoganov for interference, looks like a great hit but with the new rules it is a penalty, i hate that. i thought it was a great play but it was the correct call.

If you agree that it's a bad call, then it can't be the right call.

At least make some damn sense when you try to keep up.

[beTough54]

That was not a correct call at all. The "new rules" did not change interference at all, it was just a re-emphasis on calling actual infractions. That wasn't even close.

[bduff54]

guys i totally agree but it the rule. you can't bash the refs for doing their jobs on obvious calls.

[bduff54]

oh man, are you guys novice hockey viewers. that play has been called for 2 years, he has to touch the puck. wow.

[MLLE2383]

Well i can't say i have a copy of the rule book, so i can't argue that point, but i don't like the call

We killed it anyway, thanks to spectacular saves by Marty!!!

[bduff54]

If you agree that it's a bad call, then it can't be the right call.

At least make some damn sense when you try to keep up.

it can be a bad rule and a correct call no?

[MLLE2383]

it can be a bad rule and a correct call no?



Agreed

again we killed it so no harm

[MLLE2383]

DIVE??????????

not a trip

maybe a hook..........still a dive

[bduff54]

peanlty #7. tripping on spacek, weak call. they missed that one boys. kubina kind of just bailed

[beTough54]

Wow.

The Sabres have the reputation as divers???

[TRIPLE P]

man i hate the rule but if you know them it is definitely a penalty, stajan had yet to touch the puck and he nailed him. it sucks but it is the rule

MAx had yet to touch the puck, stajan hit him.

[ICRockets]

Wow.

The Sabres have the reputation as divers???

they can't call that one and you know it.

the refs love their jobs too much to call dives on the queefs.

[bduff54]

lol, kubina scores. weak call leads to the goal boys, first to admit it right here.

[ICRockets]

Damn It

[TRIPLE P]

Lame BS goal for a lame BS team

[bduff54]

MAx had yet to touch the puck, stajan hit him.

dude, if your serious you do not understand the game

[MLLE2383]

Horrible...................

[TRIPLE P]

dude, if your serious you do not understand the game

Why was it Stajans puck to touch and not maxs? They both were going for it, were they not?

So...if two guys are going for one puck in one area they are bound to make contac.....if Max falls and Stajan stays on his feet who is the penalty on?

[beTough54]

Why was it Stajans puck to touch and not maxs? They both were going for it, were they not?

So...if two guys are going for one puck in one area they are bound to make contac.....if Max falls and Stajan stays on his feet who is the penalty on?

Don't confuse him. I'd hate to force his life partner to clean up after his head explodes.

[bduff54]

because it wasn't a loose puck it was a slow pass to stajan, he has to pick it off or wait for stajan to get it then take the man.

this is what i am talking about guys, the leafs have killed the sabres this period and you guys blame the refs. blame the sabres or credit the leafs.

[Denverbillsfan]

What about the last shit call on Spacek. Chalk yet another one up for the leafs and this goes for a goal.

[MLLE2383]

I'll credit the Leafs for outplaying us, but i blame the refs for the score being 2-1.....

[bduff54]

What about the last shit call on Spacek. Chalk yet another one up for the leafs and this goes for a goal.

dude i said it was a shit call. but if the leafs win this game all you will talk about is the refs instead of giving the leafs credit. i always give a team credit when they impress me on any given night.

[MLLE2383]

dude i said it was a shit call. but if the leafs win this game all you will talk about is the refs instead of giving the leafs credit. i always give a team credit when they impress me on any given night.


Can't say the Leafs are impressive tonight.....

For a team to be impressive, they need to seriously outplay the opposition....

I'd say the Leafs outplayed us in the 2nd period

We still have the third, which is extremely unfortunate for Toronto

[Denverbillsfan]

dude i said it was a shit call. but if the leafs win this game all you will talk about is the refs instead of giving the leafs credit. i always give a team credit when they impress me on any given night.

when I looked at the time it was way before the one on Spacek, that is why I added his too.

I am not taking credit away from the Leafs but when you get several bullcrap calls and then they lead to goals, that is another whole story.

[TRIPLE P]

because it wasn't a loose puck it was a slow pass to stajan, he has to pick it off or wait for stajan to get it then take the man.

this is what i am talking about guys, the leafs have killed the sabres this period and you guys blame the refs. blame the sabres or credit the leafs.

You are 100% full of shit...it was a shot from the point, hit traffic in front, and DEREK ROY hit it with his backhand off the boards...

Not a "slow pass", not a penalty, nothing but bullshit... it was a loose puck. You must not understand the game.

[bduff54]

lol, but you are only looking at it from your perspective. do you hear my going nuts? if was a homer like you guys here is what i would whine about.

1. vanek's goal. you guys would be saying the whistle should have blown
2. #38, paetch? brutal holding behind the net.

[bduff54]

guys, they outshot them 15-3. it is not the ref's fault. this is hilarious

[TRIPLE P]

lol....you've already been caught lying bDuff...well...lting or not knowing what the hell you're talking about...

Address my point about the "sloww pass" our player made to stajan

[MLLE2383]

I definitely agree, people are always going to be biased to their team, but when there is substantial evidence to a call being made that should not have been a call, there can't be an argument

[TRIPLE P]

guys, they outshot them 15-3. it is not the ref's fault. this is hilarious

They don't count shots when they determine who wins.....the goal you're up by was scored on a BS powerplay.....another bs powerplay.

[MLLE2383]

hey bduff

yes shots on goal were 15-3, but how bout penalties called

Buffalo 4
Toronto 1

Teams get more SOG when they have a man advantage, nice try on that one though

[ICRockets]

guys, they outshot them 15-3. it is not the ref's fault. this is hilarious

YOU started this thread to see if the refs give calls to the Leafs.

YOU said you were the first to admit the trip on Spacek was a bad call.

YOU said you were the first to admit it was the bad call that led to the goal.

Sorry, sport, but I guess I don't see why this thread has any point anymore. It's been proven, it's done. Move on.

[bduff54]

lol....you've already been caught lying bDuff...well...lting or not knowing what the hell you're talking about...

Address my point about the "sloww pass" our player made to stajan

dude, i seriously thought it was a pass. man, i watch a lot of hockey, when i saw that hit i immediately thought penalty. it was a penalty, a shitty one but the correct call. you can't just hit guys anymore unless they have touched the puck . what max is supposed to there is reach for the puck not nail stajan, i don't agree with it but it was the correct call.

[ICRockets]

dude, i seriously thought it was a pass. man, i watch a lot of hockey, when i saw that hit i immediately thought penalty. it was a penalty, a shitty one but the correct call. you can't just hit guys anymore unless they have touched the puck . what max is supposed to there is reach for the puck not nail stajan, i don't agree with it but it was the correct call.

WXP just gave you an accurate PBP of the "slow pass" and you still maintain that it was a bad call because you "seriously thought" something? Give it up, champ.

[MLLE2383]

Sorry, sport, but I guess I don't see why this thread has any point anymore. It's been proven, it's done. Move on.

Great point.....i'm done with this thread as well

LETS GO BUFFALO!!!!!!

Final Score

Sabres 4
Queefs 2

[bduff54]

so you are telling me that one bad call out of #7 means the leafs are secretly trying to make the leafs win? wow, jesus guys. the call was bad but it was close, spacek did get his stick in there. I wouldn't have called it after i saw the replay but it happens fast out there, it looked like it could have been.

so you guys have determined that the NHL is fixed?

[TRIPLE P]

dude, i seriously thought it was a pass. man, i watch a lot of hockey, when i saw that hit i immediately thought penalty. it was a penalty, a shitty one but the correct call. you can't just hit guys anymore unless they have touched the puck . what max is supposed to there is reach for the puck not nail stajan, i don't agree with it but it was the correct call.

But if it was a pass, it was a pass from a buffalo player....so then its interference on Stajan, not on max.

That or its a loose puck....also not a penalty.

You could have thougt it was a pass to stajan...but it wasn't. So it wasn't the correct call.

[bduff54]

guys, i am telling to the call on max is crappy but it is the rule. god

[ICRockets]

so you are telling me that one bad call out of #7 means the leafs are secretly trying to make the leafs win? wow, jesus guys. the call was bad but it was close, spacek did get his stick in there. I wouldn't have called it after i saw the replay but it happens fast out there, it looked like it could have been.

so you guys have determined that the NHL is fixed?

No, actually, based on who started the thread, and who's watching closely at this game, and who admitted a bad call is why the Leafs are ahead right now....you determined the NHL is fixed.

[TRIPLE P]

And I'm not saying the refs are hceating, or the game is fixed, or even they knew.....

But the fact is of the 4 penalties, two were complete BS, one was a high stick after the leaf guy held the stick, and one was legit.

They missed on paetsch.

Regardless....if you start a thread about good or bad calls this is the kind of analysis you're gonna get....

[TRIPLE P]

guys, i am telling to the call on max is crappy but it is the rule. god

What is the rule.....? Considering it was not a pass to stajan, but a pass from Roy?

The rule would state that Stajan interfered with max. or that it was a loose puck and fair game, no?

[bduff54]

hahahahahaahahahah, i was told the refs are brutal and completely one sided when the leafs play. that has proven not to be the case at all, we have seen one marginal bad call in this game with a period to go. we have also seen a goal by the sabres that you guys fail to discuss, if it was miller on the ground you guys would have freaked.

[bduff54]

And I'm not saying the refs are hceating, or the game is fixed, or even they knew.....

But the fact is of the 4 penalties, two were complete BS, one was a high stick after the leaf guy held the stick, and one was legit.

They missed on paetsch.

Regardless....if you start a thread about good or bad calls this is the kind of analysis you're gonna get....

how can i high stick be BS. he hit him the face. you guys are proving my point, you are all crazy homers who can't see why the sabres are losing tonight. it's called being outworked cause yo uare tired.

[ICRockets]

hahahahahaahahahah, i was told the refs are brutal and completely one sided when the leafs play. that has proven not to be the case at all, we have seen one marginal bad call in this game with a period to go. we have also seen a goal by the sabres that you guys fail to discuss, if it was miller on the ground you guys would have freaked.

Did the whistle blow? Nope.

"It was the right call" only works one way, does it?

[TRIPLE P]

how can i high stick be BS. he hit him the face. you guys are proving my point, you are all crazy homers who can't see why the sabres are losing tonight

A high stick can be BS when the other player grabs and hold the stick.....if you take my stick and hold it while I'm skating how should I control it?

[TRIPLE P]

back to the game

[bduff54]

Did the whistle blow? Nope.

"It was the right call" only works one way, does it?

dude, i know it was the right call because i am not a homer. if it was the other way around you would be going crazy calling the refs bias.

penalty #8. holding on stajan.

[bduff54]

A high stick can be BS when the other player grabs and hold the stick.....if you take my stick and hold it while I'm skating how should I control it?

what a joke, pathetic. yeah ondrus grabbed the stick and bashed into his own face. pathetic.

[TRIPLE P]

what a joke, pathetic. yeah ondrus grabbed the stick and bashed into his own face. pathetic.

Are you not watching the game?

Oh, thats right... obviously not.

"Slow pass".......i forgot.

[bduff54]

ok boss, how about the leafs 3rd goal. what did the refs do to cause that one?

[TRIPLE P]

ok boss, how about the leafs 3rd goal. what did the refs do to cause that one?

Nothing....nobody said they did.....

All I've commented on are the actual facts....not what I "thought" I saw...

*The High Stick* Did Ondrus grab the stick...? yes. So its either 2 calls or no calls.

*Max* Did Stajan get a "slow pass"? no.... No call or interference on Stajan since Roy passed the puck.

*The Trip* Did the guy fall on his own? Absolutely....no call..

Quit your "novice hockey watcher" holier than thou bullshit.....You're wrong...you started a thread asking about BS calls....3 are clearly BS...now you can't handle it....

Like I said earlier...you're either willfully ignoring the facts, or have no clue what you're watching...which is it?

[beTough54]

This is ****ing ridiculous. Let the Leafs get a lead and then put the whistles away. The Leafs apparently have free reign to hook slash and grab as much as they want now.

[MLLE2383]

THIS IS AWFUL.....Leafs are winning, so the whistles are put away, complete and utter nonsense

Way to get the Leafs back into playoff contention, that's the only way they are going to beat us from here on in

MAN HOW SWEET WOULD IT BE IF WE STILL WON THIS GAME!!!!

BLOW QUEEFS BLOW

[anEinherjer]

Yeah, I'm watching Roy get mugged repeatedly, he's getting pissed off... but I guess it's okay because it's the queefs and Roy's just a diver.

:rolleyes:

Give it up, daddy, you gotta love that they put the damn whistles away after the queefs took the lead.

[bduff54]

haha, this is why i started this. you can't admit your team got dominated tonight by a bad team. it was the same vs the canes last year. my little experiement worked perfectly, not a single person has commented on the great work ethic shown tonight. not one person has mentioned the fact the sabres look tired after lastnight. i knew the true homers would come out and blame the refs.

[bduff54]

put them away? the sabres are on a 4-3 right now.

[bduff54]

ok that one on drury was a penalty, clearly slashed

[TRIPLE P]

haha, this is why i started this. you can't admit your team got dominated tonight by a bad team. it was the same vs the canes last year. my little experiement worked perfectly, not a single person has commented on the great work ethic shown tonight. not one person has mentioned the fact the sabres look tired after lastnight. i knew the true homers would come out and blame the refs.

What the hell are you talking about?

Why the **** would anyone comment on the leafs work ethic, or that the Sabres look tired in a thread about closely watching the penalty calls?

But fine...we'll use BDuff logic tonight:

BDuff, why didn't you comment about George Bushes plan for the war in this thread tonight? Just as I suspected!

Seriously?

Laughable. Just cause you can't stay on topic in your own threads doesn't mean everyone can't.

[bduff54]

What the hell are you talking about?

Why the **** would anyone comment on the leafs work ethic, or that the Sabres look tired in a thread about closely watching the penalty calls?

But fine...we'll use BDuff logic tonight:

BDuff, why didn't you comment about George Bushes plan for the war in this thread tonight? Just as I suspected!

Seriously?

Laughable. Just cause you can't stay on topic in your own threads doesn't mean everyone can't.


don't you see? i wanted you to all comment on the game and watch the refs. Not one of you mentioned a single bad call by the refs that went agains the leafs? not one of you mentioned the hold by paetch, the slash by roy, the trip by vanek? i saw them but i know they are part of the game and refs let them go to keep it flowing. you guys only commented on the plays you felt went against the sabres. you don't see that?

[TRIPLE P]

don't you see? i wanted you to all comment on the game and watch the refs. Not one of you mentioned a single bad call by the refs that went agains the leafs? not one of you mentioned the hold by paetch, the slash by roy, the trip by vanek? i saw them but i know they are part of the game and refs let them go to keep it flowing. you guys only commented on the plays you felt went against the sabres. you don't see that?

I did mention the Paestch call.... musta been that BDuff awareness at work again.

And which call sent the leafs to the box when they didn't desreve it....

Probably shoulda blwon the whistle on Vaneks goal too.....

But why would you start a thread asking people to watch the refs and then not comment?

[ICRockets]

you guys only commented on the plays you felt went against the sabres. you don't see that?

Hey, does anyone remember what this thread was supposed to be about? Was it about calls that benefit the Leafs, like we've been discussing for 3 pages? Nah, that can't be it.

Oh, wait that is EXACTLY what the thread's about. But it's ok, bduff, I can't expect you to know that. After all, it's not like you started it or anything...

[Carl J. Ironsides]

What else is new? More Toronto-favored reffing.

[MacRazor]

Homers?
Hello pot, this is kettle,"YOUR BLACK!"

[unklechucky]

:rofl:

[jc44]

Just a quick question, first they Sab's played poor last night and did not deserve to win. They were outworked.

But while we are on the subject of interference, when the D-men are going back for the puck and they stop shot of the put to hit the man chasing him first so they dont get hit is that not interference? He didn't play the puck, that play baffles me every time.

Any thoughts?

[bduff54]

haha, i love it.

[TRIPLE P]

Nothing....nobody said they did.....

All I've commented on are the actual facts....not what I "thought" I saw...

*The High Stick* Did Ondrus grab the stick...? yes. So its either 2 calls or no calls.

*Max* Did Stajan get a "slow pass"? no.... No call or interference on Stajan since Roy passed the puck.

*The Trip* Did the guy fall on his own? Absolutely....no call..

Quit your "novice hockey watcher" holier than thou bullshit.....You're wrong...you started a thread asking about BS calls....3 are clearly BS...now you can't handle it....

Like I said earlier...you're either willfully ignoring the facts, or have no clue what you're watching...which is it?

haha, i love it.

You haven't addressed this yet...or refuted it?

Do you have a point?

[bduff54]

You haven't addressed this yet...or refuted it?

Do you have a point?

what am i adressing? ok spacek high sticked the guy in the face that is a 2 minute penalty in any part of the world. Even if ondrus grabbed his stick for a second that stuff happens all the time. how is the ref supposed to see that.

The call on max sucks but it is the rule, i have seen it called a thousand times since the new NHL began.

The trip on spacek was a bad call, i already admitted that.

[TRIPLE P]

what am i adressing? ok spacek high sticked the guy in the face that is a 2 minute penalty in any part of the world. Even if ondrus grabbed his stick for a second that stuff happens all the time. how is the ref supposed to see that.

The call on max sucks but it is the rule, i have seen it called a thousand times since the new NHL began.

The trip on spacek was a bad call, i already admitted that.


Grabbing a stick is grabbing a stick.....might have been missed...should have been called.

Max was interfered with in his attempt to retrieve a slow pass from roy.....you said yourself that this would have been the case had the pass been to stajan....but it wasn't.

[bduff54]

Grabbing a stick is grabbing a stick.....might have been missed...should have been called.

Max was interfered with in his attempt to retrieve a slow pass from roy.....you said yourself that this would have been the case had the pass been to stajan....but it wasn't.


but stajan never hit hit him, stajan was reaching for the puck. wow.

its hard for the refs to see people grabbing the stick sometimes, they can be blocked off easily, it is way easier to call a high stick when you see it hit his face. if every little grab and pull was called you would have 40 PP's a game, is that what you want? ok, so just to finish this off. The Sabres lost because of the refs, right?

[BillsfaninVirginia]

penalty #2: cross check on Mccabe. Probably a penalty, nice little flop by briere too

nice dive by Kubina.....and u say Briere dives....GOOD LORD, what a joke by Kubina

[bduff54]

nice dive by Kubina.....and u say Briere dives....GOOD LORD, what a joke by Kubina

yep, he definitely bailed on that play. no doubt about. i do say Briere dives too . do you? i bet you don't

[anEinherjer]

"Look at me everyone, I'm 'fair-minded'!"

:rolleyes:

Stajan was just an innocent bystander who got mugged by an angry Russian! :rofl:

[bduff54]

"Look at me everyone, I'm 'fair-minded'!"

:rolleyes:

Stajan was just an innocent bystander who got mugged by an angry Russian! :rofl:

basically i guess, the rules i wrong and i hate it but is still the rule. Max outworked stajan and got penalized for it.

[anEinherjer]

:rofl:

Oh man. So if Max had fallen down, Stajan would have gotten the penalty?

[bduff54]

:rofl:

Oh man. So if Max had fallen down, Stajan would have gotten the penalty?

no, because stajan did not throw the hit.