It's 70 outside in Boston in January !

[uppy]

I love it its 70 ! Could this be globle warming ?

I hope so, just to help the cause I am going to

open some freon jugs and piss some chlorofluorocarbons

into the air !

I can't do this alone please, help me and drive a few extra miles

this weekend.

I love Globle Warming !

Life is Good

Go Pats Go !

[Green Lantern]

Global warming is a myth.

That is why ExxonMobil just hired the same PR firm that spun the idea for the past twenty years that cigarettes are not addictive or unhealthy.

[г]

Perfect weather for gay marriages!

[Green Lantern]

Perfect weather for gay marriages!

Hot and sticky?

[JoetheDictator]

I wish we had some of that global warming round here.

[sukie]

If global warming is to blame then the 40 degree increase in global surface temperature in and around Boston marks are most certain doom to come. It is too late for Al Gore to save us I'm afraid. Fare thee well my good friends the apocalyps is at hand.

[uppy]

Perfect weather for gay marriages!


LOL

[35Pete]

Global warming is a myth.

That is why ExxonMobil just hired the same PR firm that spun the idea for the past twenty years that cigarettes are not addictive or unhealthy.

Ad Hominem.

An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself. The implication is that the person's argument and/or ability to argue correctly lacks authority. Merely insulting another person in the middle of otherwise rational discourse does not necessarily constitute an ad hominem fallacy. It must be clear that the purpose of the characterization is to discredit the person offering the argument, and, specifically, to invite others to discount his arguments. In the past, the term ad hominem was sometimes used more literally, to describe an argument that was based on an individual, or to describe any personal attack. However, this is not how the meaning of the term is typically introduced in modern logic and rhetoric textbooks, and logicians and rhetoricians are in agreement that this use is incorrect.

[г]

It's springtime in Boston and you know what that means...

Men's thoughts turn to men !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?

[uppy]

If global warming is to blame then the 40 degree increase in global surface temperature in and around Boston marks are most certain doom to come. It is too late for Al Gore to save us I'm afraid. Fare thee well my good friends the apocalyps is at hand.

Algore is the man !!!

The end is at hand...I'm going to play golf today !

I love global warming

[uppy]

HA.... Pmoon and Chris,how is the GW in the rockies !

[Green Lantern]

Ad Hominem.

An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself. The implication is that the person's argument and/or ability to argue correctly lacks authority. Merely insulting another person in the middle of otherwise rational discourse does not necessarily constitute an ad hominem fallacy. It must be clear that the purpose of the characterization is to discredit the person offering the argument, and, specifically, to invite others to discount his arguments. In the past, the term ad hominem was sometimes used more literally, to describe an argument that was based on an individual, or to describe any personal attack. However, this is not how the meaning of the term is typically introduced in modern logic and rhetoric textbooks, and logicians and rhetoricians are in agreement that this use is incorrect.


Pete, I thought that YOU admitted that temps are rising but that what is under debate is whether or not people are playing a part in it?

Also, no comment on the other thread about Krakatoa and Chinese coal?

[Green Lantern]

Ad Hominem.

An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself. The implication is that the person's argument and/or ability to argue correctly lacks authority. Merely insulting another person in the middle of otherwise rational discourse does not necessarily constitute an ad hominem fallacy. It must be clear that the purpose of the characterization is to discredit the person offering the argument, and, specifically, to invite others to discount his arguments. In the past, the term ad hominem was sometimes used more literally, to describe an argument that was based on an individual, or to describe any personal attack. However, this is not how the meaning of the term is typically introduced in modern logic and rhetoric textbooks, and logicians and rhetoricians are in agreement that this use is incorrect.

Ad hominem is not a fallacy, genius. It is a tactic.

Aristotle notes that you attack the argument and not the man. Then later, in the same text, while cycling through erroneous thinking of his contemporaries, he gets to a man who makes a whole host of completely indefensible arguments and it is here that Aristotle ignores the author's arguments all together and discusses the silly dress and demeanor of the person in question...

The lesson of the paragraph is that some people, and by extension their arguments, are so unsupportable that you would demean yourself by taking them seriously at all. Ad Hominem is a way to discount a person's argument while not giving it the time of day.

If we discussed the formation of the moon, which is all theory since none of us were around, and someone chimed in with the old theory that it was made of cheese, we would not justify that with a response. Same difference here.

[35Pete]

Ad hominem is not a fallacy, genius. It is a tactic.

Aristotle notes that you attack the argument and not the man. Then later, in the same text, while cycling through erroneous thinking of his contemporaries, he gets to a man who makes a whole host of completely indefensible arguments and it is here that Aristotle ignores the author's arguments all together and discusses the silly dress and demeanor of the person in question...

The lesson of the paragraph is that some people, and by extension their arguments, are so unsupportable that you would demean yourself by taking them seriously at all. Ad Hominem is a way to discount a person's argument while not giving it the time of day.

If we discussed the formation of the moon, which is all theory since none of us were around, and someone chimed in with the old theory that it was made of cheese, we would not justify that with a response. Same difference here.

Argue with these people Plato.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Fact is that whenever a global warming counter-argument comes up the first thing you guys do is look to see if the author owns any oil stock. Pretty intellectually cheap if you ask me.

[Green Lantern]

Argue with these people Plato.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Fact is that whenever a global warming counter-argument comes up the first thing you guys do is look to see if the author owns any oil stock. Pretty intellectually cheap if you ask me.

Pete, it is faulty logic. Does not make you wrong.

[uppy]

Its now 73.....


I love GW !

[uppy]

I have all my windows open and if it gets any hotter I may need to turn

the AC on.


Life is Good

I hope the north pole melts !

Bring it on baby !

[JLB]

Its now 73.....


I love GW !

It's about time we reap the benefits.

[JLB]

I have all my windows open and if it gets any hotter I may need to turn

the AC on.


Life is Good

I hope the north pole melts !

Bring it on baby !

I got a RAFT just in case lol.

[uppy]

JLB,is it hot Up-state ?

[JLB]

JLB,is it hot Up-state ?

We will lose are GW soon its dropped to about 50 degrees.

Yesterday we had almost 60.

[Green Lantern]

They laughed at Noah when he built the ark.

[JLB]

I am getting some wind damage from the GW right now.

[JLB]

They laughed at Noah when he built the ark.

They were fools huh!

[Green Lantern]

They were fools huh!

A friend in NM just wrote me to tell me that they have not had their first Fall frost yet there...

It seems it is our hemisphere, not just New York.

[JLB]

A friend in NM just wrote me to tell me that they have not had their first Fall frost yet there...

It seems it is our hemisphere, not just New York.

It is strange I'll grant you.

Is it out in the northwest where they are getting slaughtered?

Ice wind and snow by the ton.

[mark3274]

If global warming is to blame then the 40 degree increase in global surface temperature in and around Boston marks are most certain doom to come. It is too late for Al Gore to save us I'm afraid. Fare thee well my good friends the apocalyps is at hand.

who cares we have had no snow in NY in jan.. hell lets hope it keeps up or the snow hits southern florida for 5 weeks straight.

[pmoon6]

HA.... Pmoon and Chris,how is the GW in the rockies !We have had an unusually warm December. Highs of 35, lows 15.

Last couple of weeks it's gotten colder. I just got back from the morning hunt, had to come back to town to pick up a buddy. It's noon and it's 5 degrees, when we started the hunt this morning it was -15, so it's about back to normal.

[35Pete]

My Lord! Global Warming is Here!!!!!

[JLB]

We have had an unusually warm December. Highs of 35, lows 15.

Last couple of weeks it's gotten colder. I just got back from the morning hunt, had to come back to town to pick up a buddy. It's noon and it's 5 degrees, when we started the hunt this morning it was -15, so it's about back to normal.



We would be willing to send some of the GW your way if you would like some.

Upstart has an overflow of the stuff.

Good hunting Moon!!!

[GG8407]

I love it its 70 ! Could this be globle warming ?

I hope so, just to help the cause I am going to

open some freon jugs and piss some chlorofluorocarbons

into the air !

I can't do this alone please, help me and drive a few extra miles

this weekend.

I love Globle Warming !

Life is Good

Go Pats Go !

Whatever it is, it has been beautiful all weekend. I am in Boston right now and coming back tomorrow--from what I head Buffalo isn't much worse.

[35Pete]

They laughed at Noah when he built the ark.

LOL.

Sorry didn't mean to laugh. Just like laughing at implausible fiction when I read it. LOL

[uppy]

Griffs,I hope you enjoyed Boston

[Callaway]

I'm on the fence about Global Warming. I heard the other day there was a warmer winter on record in or around 1907, I cant remember the exact year.


How do the global warming people explain that?

[uppy]

I'm on the fence about Global Warming. I heard the other day there was a warmer winter on record in or around 1907, I cant remember the exact year.


How do the global warming people explain that?

In the 1970s leftist lunacy was global cooling

[JLB]

In the 1970s leftist lunacy was global cooling

I remember lol the return of the Ice Age!!!

[uppy]

How can we forget "acid rain" from the 80s ....the leftist lunacy said by the

year 1995 all the trees would be dead and no fish could live in our lakes...lol

So now we have GW.....

WE ARE DOOMED !

[JLB]

How can we forget "acid rain" from the 80s ....the leftist lunacy said by the

year 1995 all the trees would be dead and no fish could live in our lakes...lol

So now we have GW.....

WE ARE DOOMED !


Things do look bleak but we must be brave.

[uppy]

Thank God the demos in congress will save us all...

[pmoon6]

We would be willing to send some of the GW your way if you would like some.

Upstart has an overflow of the stuff.

Good hunting Moon!!!Thanks for well wishes. Going out again today.

As far as "sending" me some GW. No thanks, I like the cold and the snow.

[Green Lantern]

How can we forget "acid rain" from the 80s ....the leftist lunacy said by the

year 1995 all the trees would be dead and no fish could live in our lakes...lol

So now we have GW.....

WE ARE DOOMED !

I think the acid rain stopped killing the fish in New England because a Republican and Democratic House, Senate, and Executive all agreed that we should begin altering the crap we let escape into the environment and help to save our country.

Did I miss something or was it not Ford AND Carter along with Republican and Democrat controlled chambers of the legislative branch who helped prevent the pollution of unregulated businesses that resulted in rivers catching fire?

Your post proves that government, when it gets the urge to address problems, can fix things; not that the things were not threats to begin with.

[Green Lantern]

I'm on the fence about Global Warming. I heard the other day there was a warmer winter on record in or around 1907, I cant remember the exact year.


How do the global warming people explain that?


There was a researcher from Colorado who tried to explain it this way:

First, global warming is a pattern of events that MOST researchers subscribe to.

Second, there are three distinct weather patterns that we are dealing with in the US.
-One, El Nino: the heating of Pacific water. This usually affects weather in the midwest...so when you hear people repeating what they don't know and understand about El Nino on the east coast, you can automatically come to the conclusion that they are uninformed and, thereby, tune them out.

-Two, the North Atlantic Ossillation. This is a heating and a cooling of the atmosphere of the air along the east coast, not the water temperature of the Atlantic.

-Three Arctic warming: This is the aspect of global warming which is the one that can be seen most evidently. The pollution in the air, IT IS HYPOTHESIZED, is building up heat at the poles and is helping to melt the caps. This is fact; that the caps are melting. What this does is effect the push the cold air (high pressure) affects on warm air (low pressure) and affects weather patterns. We end up with a jet stream that moves way north and we get warmer temps.

When asked why Colorado got more snow this year...isn't that silly when global warming would mean less snow...his answer was this: In Colorado the snow usually occurs in the late fall and last winter. In the dead of winter it is usually so cold that the air cannot carry enough humidity to bring much snow. So, Colorado got rain in late fall and is now getting snow (when it usually does not get snow) because the temps. are not low enough to prevent snow...global warming.

PMoon...does this sound right to you? Are temps warmer in Colorado this year?

The researcher's name is Robert Hensen from Boulder, for anyone who cares.

[uppy]

Its already in the 50s today !

life is good

[sukie]

So the jetstream has moved? I haven't seen that. GW is a slow process... Decimal points of degrees per year yet 10 -15 degrees in Colorado is being (hypothetically) blamed on GW effects? I blame the tooth fairy for the drool on my pillow last night. She had the wrong house.

[uppy]

I think the acid rain stopped killing the fish in New England because a Republican and Democratic House, Senate, and Executive all agreed that we should begin altering the crap we let escape into the environment and help to save our country.

Did I miss something or was it not Ford AND Carter along with Republican and Democrat controlled chambers of the legislative branch who helped prevent the pollution of unregulated businesses that resulted in rivers catching fire?

Your post proves that government, when it gets the urge to address problems, can fix things; not that the things were not threats to begin with.

Ok....how did we stop the so called global cooling from the 70s ?


Did Jimmy Carter stop it ?

[Green Lantern]

Ok....how did we stop the so called global cooling from the 70s ?


Did Jimmy Carter stop it ?

Man, you need to read some books. The theory is that after the 2,000 (+)nuclear weapons we and the Russians exploded during our "tests" of the 1940's and 1950's the average temps of the planet went up (basic cause and effect, Pete). During the resultant twenty years the temps. went down a bit...a new (terrifying) trend. Now, because of global industrialization, temps. are going up again. China alone burns more coal today than the US and Europe combined during our industrial revolution...because they have tons of it, literally. They are trying to cut in on our oil market because they are noticing the harmful environmental effects, not to mention birth defects, their filthy coal causes. Our coal is much cleaner than theirs, but they would rather compete for oil than buy coal from us.

[pmoon6]

There was a researcher from Colorado who tried to explain it this way:

First, global warming is a pattern of events that MOST researchers subscribe to.

Second, there are three distinct weather patterns that we are dealing with in the US.
-One, El Nino: the heating of Pacific water. This usually affects weather in the midwest...so when you hear people repeating what they don't know and understand about El Nino on the east coast, you can automatically come to the conclusion that they are uninformed and, thereby, tune them out.

-Two, the North Atlantic Ossillation. This is a heating and a cooling of the atmosphere of the air along the east coast, not the water temperature of the Atlantic.

-Three Arctic warming: This is the aspect of global warming which is the one that can be seen most evidently. The pollution in the air, IT IS HYPOTHESIZED, is building up heat at the poles and is helping to melt the caps. This is fact; that the caps are melting. What this does is effect the push the cold air (high pressure) affects on warm air (low pressure) and affects weather patterns. We end up with a jet stream that moves way north and we get warmer temps.

When asked why Colorado got more snow this year...isn't that silly when global warming would mean less snow...his answer was this: In Colorado the snow usually occurs in the late fall and last winter. In the dead of winter it is usually so cold that the air cannot carry enough humidity to bring much snow. So, Colorado got rain in late fall and is now getting snow (when it usually does not get snow) because the temps. are not low enough to prevent snow...global warming.

PMoon...does this sound right to you? Are temps warmer in Colorado this year?

The researcher's name is Robert Hensen from Boulder, for anyone who cares. October and November were normal, then after the first weekend in December it got unusually warm until Jan. 1 up here (I live about 70 miles west of Denver). Another unusual thing was Denver got socked with 2 big storms and we hardly got touched. Usually it's the other way around.

His theory sounds about right.

[JLB]

Thanks for well wishes. Going out again today.

As far as "sending" me some GW. No thanks, I like the cold and the snow.



I can wait for the cold ans snow but my grandkids love it.

Any success today?

[JoetheDictator]

Am I the only one who heard the rain forests would be gone by the year 2000?

[JLB]

Am I the only one who heard the rain forests would be gone by the year 2000?



The Amazon jungle is the world's largest tropical rainforest. The forest covers the basin of the Amazon, the world's second longest river.

The Amazon is home to the greatest variety of plants and animals on Earth. A 1/5 of all the world's plants and birds and about 1/10 of all mammal species are found there

Central Africa holds the world's second largest rainforest. To the south east, the large island of Madagascar was once intensively forested, but now much of it is gone.

Africa contains areas of high cloud forest, mangrove swamps and flooded forests. The island of Madagascar is home to many unique plants and animals not found anywhere else.

[JoetheDictator]

Am I the only one who heard the rain forests would be gone by the year 2000?

this notion was as retarded as global warming and before it global cooling. I was in the Dentist's office waiting room
a few years ago and they had a November 1976 expose in National Geographic detailing global cooling. Ain't it funny? :D

[pmoon6]

I can wait for the cold ans snow but my grandkids love it.

Any success today?No, didn't even cut a single track. We did see about 60 deer, but no elk. It was warmer today than yesterday. Low in the morning was 0 and it got to 18 before we left. Next weekend is it.

The reason we haven't seen many elk this year is the warmer temps. We have saw some on private land at about 13,000 feet. The elk will stay on the high ridges until you get alot of snow and they can't easily feed. That combined with sub zero temperatures will drive them down to 9 or 10 thousand.

[JLB]

No, didn't even cut a single track.

http://www.mytargets.com/kg7mz/ElkMonteCristo.jpg

Moon is this what your after?

[pmoon6]

http://www.mytargets.com/kg7mz/ElkMonteCristo.jpg

Moon is this what your after?No, his wife. And for you funny men, I was talking about the elk.