Flutie's Promise

[Halbert]

http://foxsports.lycos.com/content/view?contentId=392500

1. Too bad he couldn't have been a "bigger" man here.
2. I wonder if losing your last 8 has anything to do with that.
3. I'll believe it when I see it.

[casdhf]

He was already dealing out criticizism last season...I don't see how its gonan be different this year.

[bills_phan]

didn't he lose his last 9?

[bills_phan]

flutie's full of crap

[BogusTrumper]

What promise? I can't read it.

[bills_phan]

he promised that he would gratiously accept the decision to make Drew Brees the starter next season if he beats Flutie out in the open competion in training camp. he said he would not complain, lobby the coaches and fans, ect... personally, I'll believe it when I see it! if he actually follows up on this promise, I'll be pissed that he did not do the same when he was here. maybe he finally realizes that all his cancerous crap was NOT, after all, good for the TEAM...maybe...

[bills_phan]

gee, I wonder what BogusTrumper will have to say to that...hmm... :D

I'd really like to kick that midget "squaaa in da nuts" :D :moon:

[BogusTrumper]

Flutie: I just like him

[don137]

That's right up there with "I did not have relations with Monica Lewinsky."
Oxymoron: Doug Flutie and team player

Their was no "promise" made by Flutie. If I missed it, let me know.

[Justafan]

Originally posted by BogusTrumper
What promise? I can't read it.

He promised he hasn't stopped growing taller at 39 and that he expects to be 6'1" by training camp.

Actually bogus it's on the home page of BBI.

[bduff54]

he better except that he may not be the starter, the guy is 40

[Stealth01]

Yeah, whatever, Douggie. ANd there won't be any controversy in Tampa, either.

[bduff54]

rj will be 3rd string.

[shiva2999]

RJ sucks. Brees doesn't.

That'll last as long as Flutie remains the starter, which it says he is for now. If they don't allow him to start the season, you'll see it all begin.

If they start it, first of all, they won't (or shouldn't, it would be a statistical freak) have 4 or 5 cake teams to open their season w/ again. Therefore, he won't play well and if he (the team) doesn't do well, he won't have a choice as the fans will be demanding Brees as well as coaches, and alas, even the "kneepad" media.

It'll be interesting, that's for sure.

In T.B., since as usual, no one is allowed to criticize Flutie w/o also critizing Rob, King sucks. Hamilton has shown nothing. B. Johnson sucks. While Rob may suck, he's still better than them. He will be the starter if he's healthy. The BIG question on Rob down there will be whether or not he can stay healthy through 16 games and actually finish a season. If not, he'll be like Chandler, only a backup for the rest of his career. No other team will be interested in him as anything else.

[bduff54]

rob won't start. johnson is paid way too much not to start, gruden loves king. it will be rj and king battling it out for the backup. no way they hand rj the starting job.

[shiva2999]

I, for one, hope RJ rips it up in preseason and emerges as the Bucs starter on opening day.

[BogusTrumper]

The question will be whether RJ will blame the other QBs for his poor play.

[bduff54]

who is the tb running back now that dunn is gone. alstott can't carry the load every down

[Judge]

Alot of the controversy in Buffalo was caused by Wade Phillips, Joe Pendry, and John Butler badly mishandling the entire situation:

- they created an unworkable situation by benching RJ when he got injured in 1998. It really wasn't right, as it gave RJ a feeling of being wronged. Maybe they should've let RJ go back in when he was healthy and either sink or swim- if he had bombed, then Flutie could have returned as the undisputed starter. If RJ played well, then RJ would have retained the starting job he shouldn't have lost due to injury.

- The situation became an ugly controversy when Flutie got benched in 1999 for the playoff game after starting the whole season. It was wrong. I understand the reasoning behind playing RJ against Tennessee, but that doesn't alter the fact that it was wrong. Flutie, for all of his warts and weaknesses, gutted out the season and played well enough to go 10-5. He should have been afforded the playoff start.

- 2 wrongs don't make a right. The coaching and management really created the whole mess, and both QB's rightfully felt they were slighted, quite frankly. Both QB's further exacerbated the whole problem by both doing spectacularly great things on the field, and by both showing glaring limitations and weaknesses to their game that gave the fans and media anmmo for the argument.

Neither acted like Drew Bledsoe did this year, either, making the whole deal worse.

It was ugly. BUT, instead of blaiming RJ and Flutie, why don't we all consider the real villian- Wade and co., who botched the problem so badly, yet won in spite of their ineptitude. Imagine what could have happened here if they handled problems correctly!

[Jaded 7]

I don't know why you people can't leave Doug alone. I think if Drew Brees PROVES to be a capable starting quarterback, Doug will have no problem stepping aside and supporting him if he starts. All of you want to blame the controversy in Buffalo on Doug. Well people, it takes more than one person to start a controversy. Wade and his gang and your precious, "full of potential" Rob Johnson certainly added fuel to quarterback controversy fire. Doug is a good guy so just leave him alone. There's going to be much more to talk baout in Tampa Bay, so why don't you focus on the Bandanna Boy. That's where the real controversy is going to be.

[BogusTrumper]

Go girl.

[bduff54]

please end this topic now, i thought we were done with this

[McBill]

No way, man! Let the thread ride!!:)

Nice to see the two ex-qbs still make it on the headlines together over here - their relationship problems are like the Energizer bunny...so, should be interesting when the scrimmages start.

I say RJ gets the gig in an upset, and Flutie gets one more kick at the can.
Then the two will play eachpther AGAIN only RJ wins handily.

McBill:clap:

[Jaded 7]

The topic won't end bduff because some people get their kicks out of pointing out others faults or downfalls. It makes some people feel better about themselves or their situation if they can make others look or feel bad. Doug is the greatest guy I've ever met and even though he's not a great quarterback, he's a great person and that's more important in life.

[bduff54]

jaded that is the stupidest thing i have ever heard, no offense. you want the guys on this board to stop criticizing his play becauae you think he is nice and cute. HAHAHAHA

[Halbert]

Originally posted by bills_phan
didn't he lose his last 9?

Yep, my bad.

I have trouble keeping track after 8. I lost 2 fingers in an ugly incident involving chicken wings and my wife. Have you seen her eat?

[McBill]

Larry was the biggest RJ fan, so I can understand how he soured on the Flutie-pooh. Thing is, I think neither of these guys were saints, and managament just made it a lot worse - anyway, people had to pick sides, so Larry took RJ's. Nothing wrong with that, though I wonder how he feels about RJ now...

McBill

[The Natrix]

Brees should be named the starter.

40-year-old midget who lost his last 8! 8, people 8! 40 people, 40! 5-8 people 5-8! (He likes to think he is 5-9)

[Jaded 7]

Originally posted by bduff54 jaded that is the stupidest thing i have ever heard, no offense. you want the guys on this board to stop criticizing his play becauae you think he is nice and cute. HAHAHAHA
No offense taken. :) No, I just think that instead of looking at all the negative things associated with Doug, they can look at the good he did for the City of Buffalo and the Bills. He's not this horrible little monster some people like to make him out to be.

[The Natrix]

lost his last 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bduff54]

never met, never been in the locker room. all i can say is this doug flutie did more for the bills than rj did

[Cathochic]

Originally posted by Judge
It was ugly. BUT, instead of blaiming RJ and Flutie, why don't we all consider the real villian- Wade and co., who botched the problem so badly, yet won in spite of their ineptitude. Imagine what could have happened here if they handled problems correctly!

I agree. The reason we won was because of the excellent defensive coaching of Ted Cottrell, and good defensive players which we subsequently lost to free agency.

I truly believe Phillips and Pendry squandered the raw talent that RJ had, and Sheppard did not have enough experience to dig him out of that mess.

RJ signed with Tampa bay because he knows that Gruden is one of the few people who can undo what the Phillips regime did to him.

Flutie has years of experience he can bank on.

I can only hope that this coaching staff can coach QB's instead or ruining them.

[Halbert]

Our QB's will be just fine under Gilbride.

[bills_phan]

all i can say is this doug flutie did more for the bills than rj did

I agree. I would also say that doug flutie did more to hurt the Bills than RJ ever did.

The thread (and topic) that would not die...

[BogusTrumper]

They didn't call it Flutmania because he was hurting anyone.

[bills_phan]

No, that came later...

All this crap was spurred by Ralph playign RJ against the Titans.

[bills_phan]

at least it's over now...lol...

Yep, and a new contravery is brewing. Even before we sign a guy.

[Halbert]

Hey, that's interesting ...

I never thought of it exactly in those terms but Flutie was responsible for a) one of the biggest resurgences in Bills history and, b) one of the most damaging controversies in Bills history.

Not all of it was his fault and yes, he did a great deal for the area outside of football. But you can't deny he had an impact both ways.

I liked watching him while he was here. He was a great leader and highly entertaining on the field, despite some pretty serious liabilities. But I have to say I don't respect some of his actions during his final season, and he certainly showed some considerable immaturity while in SD.

[Justafan]

Originally posted by bills_phan


I agree. I would also say that doug flutie did more to hurt the Bills than RJ ever did.

The thread (and topic) that would not die...

How is this so? People called him a cancer because he divided the team? Sure the team was divided between a qb who was nice and a qb who just won.

Then AVP comes along and then the teammates preferred AVP. Doesn't that tell you who the real cancer is on the field? We all have our opinions about a persons personality, but when it comes to football talk I'd rather listen to what the players have to say, not Fessler.

[bills_phan]

You're probably right. It's most likely NOT appropriate to say that the magic flute was either totally good or totally evil. That's probably why this discussion still gets so heated: people who like flutie can see no wrong, and people who don't like him can see no good. The funny thing is, he (and RJ) could probably care less about what anyone in Western NY and Southern Ontario thinks. They're just happy not to have to deal with all of our crap anymore. This was just a bad situation for a long time that will (hopefully) be put to rest when the season starts.

Good take, phan.

[bills_phan]

I never said anything about Felser, but he HAS been intimately involved with the Buffalo Bills since their inception. Also, I think Flutie's (and RJ's) personality had EVERYTHING to do with the division within the team and fanbase. Flutie acted like a baby when he got benched (right or wrong) and RJ was an easy target throughout (because of his personality). The fans made it easier for Flutie by feeding his ego. This may have been because RJ did not have the personality to stand up and battle for the position. Perhaps if RJ had a stronger personality, the qb controversy would not have been as severe. Perhaps if Flutie had been more of a team guy, the team might have dealt with it better. The bottom line is that, for whatever reason, the Bills were, in the end, worse off for having both of these quarterbacks on their team. Nobody who saw it can convince me that they believe otherwise. I think RJ's problems had to do with lack of ability to intelligently play the quarterback position and a lack of fire in his belly to want to lead this team. Flutie's problems all seemed to stem from his enormous ego, selfish attitude, and overall lack of respect for the coaching staff and management. Both of these guys were bad for the team. Flutie was the only one who could have done anything about HIS problems, yet chose not to.

BTW: "I just like him" is not an acceptable arguement when supporting either guy. :D

[bills_phan]

Thanks, Rude

oops, sorry. I meant fan. lol, jk. ;)

...many good takes in this thread. Too bad they're both gone, otherwise there'd be a few huge posts candidates!

[Jaded 7]

Well, good or bad, right or wrong, the quarterback controversy brought the national spotlight to Buffalo and the entire NFL was watching. At least both Doug and Rob can still show their faces in public. The last time the entire NFL was watching Buffalo, it was when Scott Norwood had his infamous wide right super bowl kick. And we haven't seen or heard from Scott since.

[Justafan]

I blame coaching an Office for that situation. The biggest mistake was making Wade the coach and Wilson getting involved in the QB situation. Yes, fans and media fed DF's ego w/c made him beleive he was the bills answer.

[BogusTrumper]

Originally posted by bills_phan
I never said anything about Felser, but he HAS been intimately involved with the Buffalo Bills since their inception. Also, I think Flutie's (and RJ's) personality had EVERYTHING to do with the division within the team and fanbase. Flutie acted like a baby when he got benched (right or wrong) and RJ was an easy target throughout (because of his personality). The fans made it easier for Flutie by feeding his ego. This may have been because RJ did not have the personality to stand up and battle for the position. Perhaps if RJ had a stronger personality, the qb controversy would not have been as severe. Perhaps if Flutie had been more of a team guy, the team might have dealt with it better. The bottom line is that, for whatever reason, the Bills were, in the end, worse off for having both of these quarterbacks on their team. Nobody who saw it can convince me that they believe otherwise. I think RJ's problems had to do with lack of ability to intelligently play the quarterback position and a lack of fire in his belly to want to lead this team. Flutie's problems all seemed to stem from his enormous ego, selfish attitude, and overall lack of respect for the coaching staff and management. Both of these guys were bad for the team. Flutie was the only one who could have done anything about HIS problems, yet chose not to.

BTW: "I just like him" is not an acceptable arguement when supporting either guy. :D

The thing is, that I completly disagree with you. I think RJ is the one with the enormous ego and selfish attitude. I think his actions lately only support that. What he was too good to redo his contract? I think Flutie is a prince. I really do. No offense, but you can read my, "I just like him" as "You are a complete moron but it's not worth my time to argue with you"

:D

[bills_phan]

<i>Originally posted by BogusTrumper</i>
<b>"You are a complete moron but it's not worth my time to argue with you"</b>

No offense??? OK...please give any support to your argument that RJ was a selfish player (and Flutie a prince). RJ obviously wanted out, but can you blame him? He took A LOT less to play in Tampa than he would have gotten here in resturcturing. I might be wrong, but I have a feeling that the many Flutie supporters that frequent the Ralph might have had just a little bit to do with this. If anything, RJ should have had more of an ego. At least it's over now, who cares...

Now as far as: "You are a complete moron but it's not worth my time to argue with you", well opinions are like ice holes, everyone has one (or something like that :D). I am not supporting either qb who no longer plays for the Bills. All I ask is that in your argument, you share your reasons for your opinions so that I might better understand them. Things like "I just like him", "He's a good person", and "He's cute" will never help me or any other football fan see the blinding light that is your revelation of the greatness that is Doug Flutie.

But really, don't hold back your emotions, let us know what you REALLY think...lol... :D

[BogusTrumper]

Look, I never said he was a good person or that he was cute. I certainly wouldn't try to convince you that RJ looks worse in this on that basis.

Furthermore, I already gave you my reasons: RJ thinks he's worth more than people in Buffalo think he's worth. He has a big ego. He is a prima donna. He is a baby that cries to the media when he thinks he's been treated unfairly. He won't admit when he's wrong. These things can't be proven. This is my opinion.

I don't think Flutie's great. I don't think there is nothing wrong with him. I think the thing that is "wrongest" about him is one of the things I admire him for. He believed he could be the Bill's starting quarterback and he fought tooth and nail to be so.

BTW -- Flutie is very attractive and I think that's what you have against him. That and the fact that his hair is better than yours.

:D

[bills_phan]

He won't admit when he's wrong
He's not the only one who won't admint when he's wrong. All I hear is a lot of name-calling...but what should I expect. I'm sure Doug Flutie cares a lot about you.

[billsrebound2002]

Flutie is a liar. He will be a cancer if he does not start. In his mind he will have played better than Brees no matter what

[bills_phan]

A lot of this should be quite obvious by the end of next season: Brees will take over, Flutie will be bent, trouble will start...sound familiar? I predict that the events of next season will show what Doug Flutie is really made of.

[BogusTrumper]

Originally posted by billsrebound2002
In his mind he will have played better than Brees no matter what
Rebound -- You're so right. That's his fatal flaw but it's what's gotten him this far. Not so bad for a 5'10" 185 QB who was ninth on the depth chart when he started his college career.

Oh phan. I am not doing a lot of name calling. I just called you a moron because I like you. I think Flutie does the best he can.

BTW - You are so funny to insinuate that I'm some kind of Flutie groupie. Just because I fantasize about him doesn't mean I don't have a grip on reality.

:D

Here's hoping DF can handle it better in SD.

[bills_phan]

Just because I fantasize about him doesn't mean I don't have a grip on reality
How do you know? I mean, do you think somebody would really KNOW if they had lost their grip on reality?

I don't care what you call me. For that matter, I don't really care what you call anyone, but actually, the name-calling that I was refering to had to do with your shots at RJ.

BTW - I didn't realize that "moron" was a term of endearment...thanks (I think) :D

[BogusTrumper]

Re the name calling:

My point is that there is no way to support my opinion of RJ. There's no way to prove it or disprove it.

[naeliac]

I live in Flutie's biggest fan town and I am a die hard Bills fan. I have yet to meet a Flutie fan who was not a fat chick, a short man, completely ignorant of basic football, or a socialist. Usually they are at least 2 of the above. I always here about how good he is when his team wins, without regard to the quality of his play. I also get nothing but ignorant blank stares when he plays poorly, especially when his team loses.

[BogusTrumper]

And those who don't like him are ugly, bitter men who can't understand how their life went so wrong.

[bills_phan]

I'm not bitter, I'm younger than Flutie AND I've won exactly as many NFL Playoff games as the mighty mite!

[BogusTrumper]

Ok dad.

[big_ben_1]

Wait....

I still have my point to make about the RJ vs DF discussion!!!

DF was doing so well in SD until he realized that he isn't
like 25 anymore.... and I think he only really did well in Buffalo
was because of our D the way it was. He WAS a decent QB
when he played in Buffalo, but he was starting to show his
age.

But.....I think those who thought RJ was a better football player....
look at how he played even when the line was playing better.
The guy just doesn't make any good decisions when it comes
to the ball. Look at the complete assessment... so he
had the best completion rating, least interceptions, and possibly
a good QB rating. You forget about his W-L rating while he was
playing, and his amount of sacks he took.

Sure we can add other permutations to the analysis like the
quality of wins or win-loss with different teams, etc. But after
all these years there are those who think that RJ can live up
to his potential....

Get Serious AND Get a Life. RJ got a LOT of money from
Buffalo (ala Butler), he can spend the rest of his life Surfing.
But on the field, he's likely to get injured (again and again!!)

But thankfully he's now in TB and not here in Buffalo.....
(enough said....)

[The_Philster]

All right. Time to add my two cents.
If anyone actually believes what Flutie said in that artile, I have some oceanfront property in Kansas for them. While Rob is far from blameless in the whole QB controversy (he should have kept his yap shut after Flutie's Canadian interview), it can't be denied that Flutie is a troublemaker as evidenced by the way he points fingers everywhere but at himself....unless it's a win, then you'll always see him taking credit. Anyone saying he is actaully a nice guy should ask themselves if they are basing that on actually meeting him or on his TV interviews. At last week's Sports Symposium, he was brought up and, to a man, every panelist at at the table said he was a jerk. He acted nice when the cameras were off but as soon as the cameras were off and attention was switched away from him, he'd go back to being an insufferable punk. Add to that the fact that a guy I met last year had the opportunity to meet both Rob and Doug. He got the brushoff from Flutie while Rob was very considerate. Personally, I'll believe people who are unbiased and have met someone over a person who simply thinks he's cute.

[BogusTrumper]

I never said he was cute!!!!!!