Michigan vs. Ohio State the rematch or not?

[JLB]

Opinions discuss if there is any interest out there.

[JLB]

Anybody want Florida instead?
They sit at 4th ranked and lead in their game against Arkansas at the half.

[emo]

I believe florida has beaten more ranked teams. It doesn't matter in the end tressel is better than carr and smith is better than henne and that alone should be enough to get a national championship, plus it would be nice to beat michigan a second time to get the title

[CoachC.]

Arkansas may win this game - 17-14 right now.

It would be a moot point.

[JLB]

Arkansas may win this game - 17-14 right now.

It would be a moot point.

Started a thread getting fired up.

[TRIPLE P]

100% it should be a rematch at this point....

After watching Florida, and USC all season neither team would stand a chance against Ohio State.......

Florida has Chris Leak....who is quite possibly the worst decision maker I've seen... he sucks....Floridas offense wouldn't score enough to win.

USC would get destroyed at the line of scrimmmage.....ND couldn't exploit that because ND is pathetic.... but if UCLA was able to disrupt in the trenches like they did today, Ohio State would have a field. day....

Fortunately, the most talented team of the 3 (FLA, USC, UM) is also the most poorly coached, and also the most beaten team by Ohio State psychologically....Jim Tressel owns Lloys Coop...er, Carr....Troy Smith triple owns Michigan.....

Look for a rematch...and look for Troy Smith to become the first Ohio State starting QB to beat Michigan 4 times.


(BTW... the SEC is WAY overrated...not that the Big Ten is all that great, but SEC offenses are so very very bad.)

[JLB]

100% it should be a rematch at this point....

After watching Florida, and USC all season neither team would stand a chance against Ohio State.......

Florida has Chris Leak....who is quite possibly the worst decision maker I've seen... he sucks....Floridas offense wouldn't score enough to win.

USC would get destroyed at the line of scrimmmage.....ND could exploit that because ND is pathetic.... but if UCLA was able to disrupt in the trenches like they did today, Ohio State would have a field. day....

Fortunately, the most talented team of the 3 (FLA, USC, UM) is also the most poorly coached, and also the most beaten team by Ohio State psychologically....Jim Tressel owns Lloys Coop...er, Carr....Troy Smith double owns Michigan.....

Look for a rematch...and look for Troy Smith to become the first Ohio State starting QB to beat Michigan 4 times.


(BTW... the SEC is WAY overrated...not that the Big Ten is all that great, but SEC offenses are so very very bad.)


It would be great I hope we get the chance to see it.

[WhiteRabbit]

100% it should be a rematch at this point....

After watching Florida, and USC all season neither team would stand a chance against Ohio State.......

Florida has Chris Leak....who is quite possibly the worst decision maker I've seen... he sucks....Floridas offense wouldn't score enough to win.

USC would get destroyed at the line of scrimmmage.....ND couldn't exploit that because ND is pathetic.... but if UCLA was able to disrupt in the trenches like they did today, Ohio State would have a field. day....

Fortunately, the most talented team of the 3 (FLA, USC, UM) is also the most poorly coached, and also the most beaten team by Ohio State psychologically....Jim Tressel owns Lloys Coop...er, Carr....Troy Smith triple owns Michigan.....

Look for a rematch...and look for Troy Smith to become the first Ohio State starting QB to beat Michigan 4 times.


(BTW... the SEC is WAY overrated...not that the Big Ten is all that great, but SEC offenses are so very very bad.)

Whew, this is all so far off base ...

[TRIPLE P]

Whew, this is all so far off base ...

Based on....

Leak sucks.

USC is weak in the trenches, which was clear today.

Lloyd Carr is the property of Jim Tressel.


Sorry if you don't like my assesment of the SEC, but they haven't shown me shit...other than, to win, you need unforced errors by the other team, and gadget plays....


If you think ANY of the Bullshit in the ARK/FLA game would work against Ohio State or Michigan you're not using your head....

Ohio State and Michigan look like professional football teams when they play...Florida and Arkansas look like amatuers....

The SEC championship game featured 2 QB's who could barely complete 50% of there passes, neither team could convert on 3rd downs...yet both had 300 yards of offense....it wasn't tough D's that made the difference, it wasn't a great performance from one side of the ball or the other....it was luck....skill had nothing to do with that game......

Nope....the SEC sucks. The SEC gets away with being "a great conference" by sucking against each other all year..... Who have the SEC "Powerhouses" beaten outside there conference that makes them the eliete conference in college football? Where are the wins that separate them from everyone else?

Sorry..... there are 2 elite teams in NCAA football and they already played once.

[WhiteRabbit]

You have convinced yourself so much that the SEC sucks, any argument I put up will be hopeless, so I'll leave it as "we agree to disagree."

Oh and by the way, Michigan and OSU did not look like pro teams -- neither team could play a shit's worth of defense.

As a side note ...

Gamecocks 2
OSU 0

[MrWhite]

Yawn, you sound just like every Hurricane fan before the 2002 Championship game.

The SEC is the best conference this year, that's not even debateable. Chris Leak is not the only weapon that Florida has, and if he sucks, who exactly is a good QB in college football? Fact is, there is no definitive answer over who should play Ohio State, and whoever is left out will have every right to feel slighted.

[Carl J. Ironsides]

There absolutely should NOT be a rematch. Why does Michigan get the luxury of going 1-1 vs. OSU and winning the national title? That's B.S.

Florida definitely deserves to be there. They went out tonight and beat a very good Arkansas team to win a tough, tough conference. Go ahead and dismiss the SEC, Big Ten fans, when you're beloved OSU loses to Florida. I'll laugh my ass off on January 8th.

[MrWhite]

There absolutely should NOT be a rematch. Why does Michigan get the luxury of going 1-1 vs. OSU and winning the national title? That's B.S.

I'm a Florida grad and fan, but I still don't buy this argument favoring UF. If a team in the NFL loses to an out of conference opponent in the regular season, but then beats them in the Super Bowl, no one complains. Of course, that is taking into account a playoff, but it's the same general idea. If you make it to the big game, then it's all on the line there, and past matchups don't matter.

[Scary Good]

Michigans back! Screw O.S.U

[WhiteRabbit]

Michigans back! Screw O.S.U

If there is a rematch ... I hope OSU beats Michigan by 50.

[Scary Good]

I bet FLA will get in and UM will get boned.

[35Pete]

I hate Florida but the SEC is so far and away a better conference than the Big-10 or any other conference for that matter that it would be totally unfair for Michigan to be in the game. And I like Michigan.

I said it earlier in the year. Florida would beat OSU. Why? Because they basically played a bowl game every week this year. Even the FSU game where FSU is not that good FSU always plays it's best game of the year against the Gators. That's how much they hate them.

OSU is one hell of a talented team. But if they were in the SEC I'd bet that they wouldn't be undefeated. They'd have at least one loss. The wear and tear of playing an intra-conference monster every week would have inevitably caused a slip.

[twosheds]

I've had to watch a lot of SEC games and the conference isn't as strong as it claims to be. Look at Auburn, their offense is lousy, their defense is pretty good but there are better ones out there. Yet they're ranked in the top 10 most of the time. The SEC has its share of crappy teams, too, and a team like Florida had problems beating them. The strongest SEC team is LSU, but they've turned the ball over too often.

And look at the lousy OOC games most SEC teams play. Sorry, in college football a lot changes from season to season, and you have to prove your strength every year. Scheduling teams like Buffalo and pointing at the strength of the conference in past years won't do.

[emo]

I don't care who osu plays I'd like florida, I think it would be a very entertaining game, michigan would feel anti-climactic.

[TRIPLE P]

The SEC is the best conference this year, that's not even debateable.

Bullshit....prove it. Why is the SEC so great? USe facts instead of simply stating that there is no debate......

Why are the team that play "the grueling gauntlet" that is the SEC so great? Why aren't they just a bunch of evenly matched, but flawed, teams.....

[TRIPLE P]

As a side note ...

Gamecocks 2
OSU 0

Oh... I didn't bother firing up my time machine for this thread.

[nyjunc]

It's not even close, it should be UF vs. OSU. Michigan played a creampuff sched in a terrible conference. They had 2 wins over ranked teasm and BOTH teams are overrated. Wisconsin hasn't beaten a quality team all year but feasted on bad Big 10 teams to get their ranking.

The big knock on UF is they idn't win impressively enough over certain teams well what about Mich who struggled w/ Northwestern, Penn State, Iowa and BALL STATE! meanwhile UF won the toughest conf in the Country AND an extra game w/ the conf title game. They beat top 10 teams in Arkansas, LSU and a top 20 UT team.

Oh that's right Mich played a "CLOSE GAME" AT OSU A close game that OSU controlled from the moment they tied it at 7. OSU was up double digits a good portion of the game and Mich never had a chance to tie or take the lead in the 4th qtr PLUS OSU had 3 key TOs to NONE for Mich and they still didn't have a chance to tie or take the lead.

Michigan had their chance against OSU and they lost, their schedule doesn't dictate that they should get another chance ahead of UF even in an incredibly down year for CFB.

[35Pete]

Bullshit....prove it. Why is the SEC so great? USe facts instead of simply stating that there is no debate......

Why are the team that play "the grueling gauntlet" that is the SEC so great? Why aren't they just a bunch of evenly matched, but flawed, teams.....

Teams in the top 25 BCS rankings.

Big-10

OSU
Michigan
Wisconsin

SEC

Florida
Arkansas
Tennesee
LSU
Auburn


Big-10
Record against USA Today Top 25 teams 4-28 (.143) (3.2 top 25 teams average per Big-10 team played).

SEC

Record against USA Today Top 25 teams 13-37 (.351) (4.2 tops 25 teams on average played against by each SEC team).

The SEC doesn't eat up patsy's like Bowling Green and Central Michigan to inflate their stats.

[35Pete]

Out of Conference record.

Big 10

29-12 (.707)

SEC

42-8 (.840)

[35Pete]

The Big-10 is not too bad this year. But usually they fall behind the SEC, PAC-10, ACC, and Big-12.

[TheAnswer74]

SEC beat up eachother, they are a bunch of average teams without QB's.

The best team is LSU. I was excited about that matchup, Michigan against LSU, but that changes now.

I want Michigan to get a chance, but I cant argue against Florida. The only thing I can argue against is the BCS deciding this. Its stupid.

All I know is there will be a lot controversy. I dont know how Michigan gets punished for not playing after they lost to the best team in the country. Thats the problem.

Everyone was saying 2 weeks ago that Michigan should go if USC loses, now they are being punished because they have not played.

[35Pete]

SEC beat up eachother, they are a bunch of average teams without QB's.

The best team is LSU. I was excited about that matchup, Michigan against LSU, but that changes now.

I want Michigan to get a chance, but I cant argue against Florida. The only thing I can argue against is the BCS deciding this. Its stupid.

All I know is there will be a lot controversy. I dont know how Michigan gets punished for not playing after they lost to the best team in the country. Thats the problem.

Everyone was saying 2 weeks ago that Michigan should go if USC loses, now they are being punished because they have not played.


Guess you didn't read my stats then, huh?

[35Pete]

Percent of teams with winning records.

SEC 9 of 12 (.750)

Big-10 6 of 10 (.600)

[WhiteRabbit]

they are a bunch of average teams without QB's.

Wrong, we just have a bunch of young QB's.

Erik Ainge at Tennessee

Matthew Stafford at UGA

Andre' Woodson at Kentucky

Mitch Mustain at Arkansas (he was young and got injured)

Blake Mitchel at South Carolina ... he came in the second half against Arky and he's been on fire since -- he went for 213 yds and 2 TD in the second half against Arky -- he went for 275 yds 72% completions against Florida at Florida -- he went for 388 yards 75% complete and 4 TD against Middle Tennessee -- he went for 268 yds 69% complete against Clemson at Clemson.

To say the SEC has no QB's is BS. The fact is the QB's in the SEC are very young, well, Mitchell will be a senior next year. The QB's you saw last night were not the best of the SEC.

[WhiteRabbit]

Oh yeah, and the SEC is SO bad that in the current rivals.com recruiting rankings the SEC has 8 teams in the top 25 and the Big-10 has 3 teams.

1 Texas 23 4 13 5 3.78 2,717
2 Florida 20 1 8 10 3.45 1,734
3 Georgia 21 0 9 12 3.43 1,669
4 Tennessee 21 1 5 13 3.24 1,493
5 Auburn 20 0 7 11 3.25 1,479
6 Southern Cal 10 3 6 1 4.20 1,459
7 LSU 16 0 9 6 3.50 1,409
8 Notre Dame 12 1 8 3 3.83 1,352
9 Michigan 17 1 5 9 3.18 1,275
10 Virginia 22 0 6 12 3.09 1,269
11 Georgia Tech 18 0 7 8 3.22 1,231
12 Clemson 17 1 4 10 3.24 1,220
13 Alabama 15 0 6 9 3.40 1,187
14 Ole Miss 20 0 6 11 2.95 1,181
15 Virginia Tech 25 1 1 16 2.84 1,166
16 North Carolina 16 1 4 7 3.13 1,003
17 Nebraska 18 0 3 13 3.06 960
18 Colorado 25 1 1 13 2.72 959
19 South Carolina 14 0 5 7 3.21 928
20 Oklahoma 11 0 7 2 3.45 901
21 Ohio State 9 0 7 2 3.78 871
22 Penn State 13 0 6 4 3.23 852
23 Oregon 14 0 4 9 3.21 818
24 Maryland 19 1 2 9 2.84 805
25 Texas A&M 16

Of course these will change a lot as teams get more and more comitts, like Ohio State should be in the top five after all their commits. The top 25 should stay about the same, just some shuffling within it.

[35Pete]

My lord, what have I started? LOL

The pile-on has just begun.

Someone had to say that the Crap-10 was good conference and then get all indignant about it when questioned.

[35Pete]

Oh yeah, and the SEC is SO bad that in the current rivals.com recruiting rankings the SEC has 8 teams in the top 25 and the Big-10 has 3 teams.

1 Texas 23 4 13 5 3.78 2,717
2 Florida 20 1 8 10 3.45 1,734
3 Georgia 21 0 9 12 3.43 1,669
4 Tennessee 21 1 5 13 3.24 1,493
5 Auburn 20 0 7 11 3.25 1,479
6 Southern Cal 10 3 6 1 4.20 1,459
7 LSU 16 0 9 6 3.50 1,409
8 Notre Dame 12 1 8 3 3.83 1,352
9 Michigan 17 1 5 9 3.18 1,275
10 Virginia 22 0 6 12 3.09 1,269
11 Georgia Tech 18 0 7 8 3.22 1,231
12 Clemson 17 1 4 10 3.24 1,220
13 Alabama 15 0 6 9 3.40 1,187
14 Ole Miss 20 0 6 11 2.95 1,181
15 Virginia Tech 25 1 1 16 2.84 1,166
16 North Carolina 16 1 4 7 3.13 1,003
17 Nebraska 18 0 3 13 3.06 960
18 Colorado 25 1 1 13 2.72 959
19 South Carolina 14 0 5 7 3.21 928
20 Oklahoma 11 0 7 2 3.45 901
21 Ohio State 9 0 7 2 3.78 871
22 Penn State 13 0 6 4 3.23 852
23 Oregon 14 0 4 9 3.21 818
24 Maryland 19 1 2 9 2.84 805
25 Texas A&M 16

Of course these will change a lot as teams get more and more comitts, like Ohio State should be in the top five after all their commits. The top 25 should stay about the same, just some shuffling within it.

To top it off 5 of the top ten are SEC. Only one (Michigan) plays in the Crap-10.

Guess the kiddies want to play in a real conference. Just goes to show you Rabbit that the good football is played south of the Mason-Dixon line. Always has been, always will.

[BF_in_Indiana]

So WXP wants a rematch huh? So you can whine when Michigan beats you about how you deserve a split of the title?

Michigan is the best team in the country right now. They will beat Ohio State in a rematch.

[BF_in_Indiana]

Florida is now #2 in both polls. It will probably be OSU-Florida.

Go Gators

[MrWhite]

Wow, I didn't even get a chance to respond before Pete came in did all the dirty work. Thank you.

[TRIPLE P]

Michigan is the best team in the country right now. .

Logic isn't very easy for you is it?

[TheAnswer74]

Wrong, we just have a bunch of young QB's.

Erik Ainge at Tennessee

Matthew Stafford at UGA

Andre' Woodson at Kentucky

Mitch Mustain at Arkansas (he was young and got injured)

Blake Mitchel at South Carolina ... he came in the second half against Arky and he's been on fire since -- he went for 213 yds and 2 TD in the second half against Arky -- he went for 275 yds 72% completions against Florida at Florida -- he went for 388 yards 75% complete and 4 TD against Middle Tennessee -- he went for 268 yds 69% complete against Clemson at Clemson.

To say the SEC has no QB's is BS. The fact is the QB's in the SEC are very young, well, Mitchell will be a senior next year. The QB's you saw last night were not the best of the SEC.

I dont get what your saying.

I dont care if they WILL be good, they arent right now. I see the SEC every week and none of those teams are impressive. I love Mcfadden however.

Florida vs Ohio State will be a horrible football game. Florida is not a football team. They arent even close to what Auburn was with Caddy and Ronnie Brown. Ohio State will dominate. Michigan will beat USC and everyone in the college football world will demand a change in the BCS. The only way Michigan will struggle against USC is if Booty somehow gets some scrambling ability.

[WhiteRabbit]

I dont get what your saying.

Don't worry, I don't expect you to.

Florida is not a football team.

You Big-Ten boys really need your check your posts before you click the "Submit Reply" button.

[emo]

I have no problems with florida being in the bcs championship game, but before you knock mac schools remember that florida played 2 1-aa schools......

[TheAnswer74]

I have no problems with florida being in the bcs championship game, but before you knock mac schools remember that florida played 2 1-aa schools......

I have no problem with Ohio State playing FLorida either. Its the system we have and it sucks.

I will just say this....

We can talk strength of schedules, but why? Michigan played Ohio State @ Ohio State, it doesnt get any harder than that.

The SEC is not that good. We will find out during the Bowls.

What is the best out of conference win for the SEC? Tenn over California? Arkansas got blown out 50-14 @ home against USC. Because the SEC beat up eachother does not mean they are good. They play bad offensive football. Ohio State and Michigan play great defense, great offense, and great special teams.

Michigan beat ND @ ND and Ohio State beat Texas @ Texas. Dominated both teams on the road.

[35Pete]

Wow, I didn't even get a chance to respond before Pete came in did all the dirty work. Thank you.

They're pretending that they didn't read it because they don't want to admit that they play in an inferior conference. LOL

NONE ,I repeat, NONE of the stats fall their way.

Gators are gonna win this one outright folks. Northern football is like the AFC in the 80's. Crap.

[BF_in_Indiana]

Logic isn't very easy for you is it?

Michigan would beat Ohio State on a neutral field. They should have won the first game. Ohio State will probably beat Florida but I don't think they are "better" than Michigan. The game just happened to be at Ohio State this year. That's about it.

[nyjunc]

I have no problem with Ohio State playing FLorida either. Its the system we have and it sucks.

I will just say this....

We can talk strength of schedules, but why? Michigan played Ohio State @ Ohio State, it doesnt get any harder than that.

The SEC is not that good. We will find out during the Bowls.

What is the best out of conference win for the SEC? Tenn over California? Arkansas got blown out 50-14 @ home against USC. Because the SEC beat up eachother does not mean they are good. They play bad offensive football. Ohio State and Michigan play great defense, great offense, and great special teams.

Michigan beat ND @ ND and Ohio State beat Texas @ Texas. Dominated both teams on the road.


So b/c Mich played the hardest game that made their sched more difficult? The rest of Mich's sched was cake, UF won the toughest cong in the Country. UF deserved it.

[nyjunc]

Michigan would beat Ohio State on a neutral field. They should have won the first game. Ohio State will probably beat Florida but I don't think they are "better" than Michigan. The game just happened to be at Ohio State this year. That's about it.

I think OSU would have crusjed Mich if they met again, rthe score was close but OSu was never in danger of losing that game. Mich never had a chance to tie or take the lead in the 4th qtr and OSu had 3 bug turnovers to NONE for Michigan.

[TRIPLE P]

Michigan would beat Ohio State on a neutral field. They should have won the first game. Ohio State will probably beat Florida but I don't think they are "better" than Michigan. The game just happened to be at Ohio State this year. That's about it.

Then you don't understand what you're watching when you sit down to watch a football game,......

Ohio state GAVE Michigan every oppoutunity for the upset, yet they still couldn't win...

[BF_in_Indiana]

Then you don't understand what you're watching when you sit down to watch a football game,......

Ohio state GAVE Michigan every oppoutunity for the upset, yet they still couldn't win...

Michigan has a quarterback who's going to play in the NFL, their running back, both WR's, and about half their defense. They are more than capable of beating Ohio State on a neutral field. As it is you probably will beat Florida.

Nice avatar by the way.......hahahaha!!!!

[BF_in_Indiana]

I think OSU would have crusjed Mich if they met again, rthe score was close but OSu was never in danger of losing that game. Mich never had a chance to tie or take the lead in the 4th qtr and OSu had 3 bug turnovers to NONE for Michigan.

Michigan had the ball down 35-31 in the 4th quarter. Credit Michigan for forcing the turnovers instead of saying "Ohio State gave them the turnovers".

Yes Michigan is on the same level and I think is better than OSU. It's just too bad college football is so screwed up and we will crown another undeserving champion.

[TRIPLE P]

Michigan had the ball down 35-31 in the 4th quarter. Credit Michigan for forcing the turnovers instead of saying "Ohio State gave them the turnovers".

Yes Michigan is on the same level and I think is better than OSU. It's just too bad college football is so screwed up and we will crown another undeserving champion.

Use your freaking head.... how can you say Michigan is better when they lost...head to head.

And they didn't force turnovers, 2 of the 3 were bad snaps because the center was playing with a cast on his hand.

How is Ohio State "undeserving"...they haven't lost a game.

You are so clueless....get out of this argument if you want to save any crediblity.

[35Pete]

If "Ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts there'd be no sad children at Christmas.

[JLB]

If "Ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts there'd be no sad children at Christmas.

If wishes were horses beggars could ride.

[nyjunc]

Michigan had the ball down 35-31 in the 4th quarter. Credit Michigan for forcing the turnovers instead of saying "Ohio State gave them the turnovers".

Yes Michigan is on the same level and I think is better than OSU. It's just too bad college football is so screwed up and we will crown another undeserving champion.

Even worse, the only chance they had to take the lead they went 3 and out. OSU as in control nearly the entire way, the game was never in doubt from the time it was 7-7 on.

How can OSU be undeserving when they beat Michigan? Mich played a crampuff sched and struggled w/ many of thsoe creampuffs. They did not deserve a shot at the title.

[BF_in_Indiana]

Use your freaking head.... how can you say Michigan is better when they lost...head to head.

And they didn't force turnovers, 2 of the 3 were bad snaps because the center was playing with a cast on his hand.

How is Ohio State "undeserving"...they haven't lost a game.

You are so clueless....get out of this argument if you want to save any crediblity.

How can I say Michigan is better even though they lost? The same way I can say that the 1990 Buffalo Bills were better than the 1990 New York Giants even though we lost the Super Bowl. We were a better team. I think Michigan is a better team than OSU.

[TheAnswer74]

Even worse, the only chance they had to take the lead they went 3 and out. OSU as in control nearly the entire way, the game was never in doubt from the time it was 7-7 on.

How can OSU be undeserving when they beat Michigan? Mich played a crampuff sched and struggled w/ many of thsoe creampuffs. They did not deserve a shot at the title.

Michigan had a higher strength of schedule then Ohio State. Please dont talk about Michigan's schedule. Michigan is 13th in strength of schedule, Ohio state is 38th. According to USAtoday, Florida didnt have as ahrd a schedule as everyone is making it out to be.

The SCHEDULE ratings represent the average schedule difficulty faced
by each team in the games that it's played so far. The schedule
difficulty of a given game takes into account the rating of the
opponent and the location of the game.http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt06.htm

[nyjunc]

Michigan had a higher strength of schedule then Ohio State. Please dont talk about Michigan's schedule. Michigan is 13th in strength of schedule, Ohio state is 38th. According to USAtoday, Florida didnt have as ahrd a schedule as everyone is making it out to be.

OSU also had a cake schedule b/c the Big 10 was horrible this year but OSU was unbeaten against that sched while Mich was not. Michigan played 1 legit top team and that was OSU. ND and Wisconsin are ranked high but not very good and the rest of the Big 10 stunk and they didn't have another tough non-conf game.