Same-Sex Divorce Raises New Questions For States

[JLB]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/11/22/samesex.divorce.ap/index.html

PROVIDENCE, Rhode Island (AP) -- A lesbian couple married in Massachusetts has filed for divorce in Rhode Island, setting up a legal conundrum for judges in a state where the laws are silent on the legality of same-sex marriage.

[ICRockets]

Well this is sure to end well.

[Ru]

Well, logic would tell you that a state can't grant a divorce to someone they don't even recognize as being married. Why can't they file for divorce in Massachusettes? This whole issue is freakin' ridiculous.

[chickie]

They faught, and faught......and now they want a divorce. I am sure this will be one of many to come.

You always want what you can't have, and then when you have it, it wasn't what it was cracked up to be......

[Ru]

They faught, and faught......and now they want a divorce. I am sure this will be one of many to come.

You always want what you can't have, and then when you have it, it wasn't what it was cracked up to be......

That's not even the point at all. In this country divorce is a part of marriage being that about half of them end that way. Of course, there are alot of gay marriages that will follow the same course.

[chickie]

That's not even the point at all. In this country divorce is a part of marriage being that about half of them end that way. Of course, there are alot of gay marriages that will follow the same course.

I get what the point of the story was about. I just think it is stupid. I can marry here in Florida, move to any state and file for a divorce. No one should have to return to their venue to file.

I was just expressing my view......and yes we will see more cases like this.

[uppy]

Rhode Island should through out the case if thay allow the gays to file

this case it will help to legitimatize what should never been in the first place.

[Ru]

Rhode Island should through out the case if thay allow the gays to file

this case it will help to legitimatize what should never been in the first place.

That's a good word. I'm gonna start using that one.

[pigpen65]

Rhode Island should through out the case if thay allow the gays to file

this case it will help to legitimatize what should never been in the first place.



Are you drunk upstart?

[uppy]

Not drunk.....its a word the same as legitimate

[JLB]

That's a good word. I'm gonna start using that one.

Use it often use it wisely.

[JLB]

Massachusetts remains the only state to allow gay marriage. New Jersey's high court ruled in October that that state, too, must offer gay couples the same rights as married couples, but it left it to lawmakers to decide by April whether to call the unions "marriages."

[chickie]

They shouldn't be called marriages.

God created a woman for Adam not a John.

Now, you can go and have a same sex relationship but don't force the rest of us to recognize it.

[uppy]

Well said Chick

[Pondslider]

Not drunk.....its a word the same as legitimate

Yeah...no it isn't.

[uppy]

look it up

[bigr]

If God created Eve for Adam, then God also created homosexuality. He is the creator of all things right?

So by those standards, they should be treated as equal as anyone else, right?

At the least, give them the same rights as married couples if the word marriage is that sacred.

[chickie]

How does marriage and "rights" go hand in hand?

[uppy]

legitimatize

SYLLABICATION: le·git·i·ma·tize
PRONUNCIATION: l-jt-m-tz
TRANSITIVE VERB: Inflected forms: le·git·i·ma·tized, le·git·i·ma·tiz·ing, le·git·i·ma·tiz·es
To legitimate.

[JLB]

Verb 1. legitimatize - make legal; "Marijuana should be legalized"

[emo]

I didn't know adam and eve were married.

[JLB]

I didn't know adam and eve were married.

Not legally anyway lol.

[uppy]

Thay had to get married after eve ate the damn apple

[JLB]

Thay had to get married after eve ate the damn apple

Golden Delicious right?

[emo]

What I dont' understand is why so many republicans want to deny gay rights when everyday you see that more and more of them are gay?

[JLB]

What I dont' understand is why so many republicans want to deny gay rights when everyday you see that more and more of them are gay?

Queer huh?

[emo]

Queer huh?

ha, it is indeed

[JLB]

Thay had to get married after eve ate the damn apple

Shotgun wedding that *****.

[uppy]

What I dont' understand is why so many republicans want to deny gay rights when everyday you see that more and more of them are gay?

Marriage is a right ? You cant marry a 10 year old,you cant marry your sister.

(unless you are from Philly) you can't marry your dog.

[uppy]

Shotgun wedding that *****.

yup then thay got kicked out

[JLB]

yup then thay got kicked out

So now we gotta pay.
Nudity was a far better solution.

[chickie]

Thay had to get married after eve ate the damn apple

Adam ate the apple too!

[chickie]

What I dont' understand is why so many republicans want to deny gay rights when everyday you see that more and more of them are gay?

I dont' understand why so many American's don't realize that people do not get married for benefits.

Marriage has nothing to do with rights.

[uppy]

Adam ate the apple too!

Eve tricked him into it

[JLB]

Eve tricked him into it

That *****.

[emo]

so you don't think men and women have the right to get married?

[chickie]

Eve tricked him into it

She tricked him.....why is she to blame?

He has to take some of the blame too.

[JLB]

She tricked him.....why is she to blame?

He has to take some of the blame too.

They both screwed up they had that whole naked thing going to idiots.

[uppy]

so you don't think men and women have the right to get married?

Marrige is regulated under the law.

[sukie]

they do not have the right to marry (endo's statement). Marriage is not a right it is a societal priveledge.

[uppy]

She tricked him.....why is she to blame?

He has to take some of the blame too.

:ladyrangers:

[Meathead]

i say we let the homos marry but then they can never get divorces

thatll learn em

bwahahahaaa

[chickie]

so you don't think men and women have the right to get married?

That is just it it is not a right.

It is an honor, and not just to recieve benefits. That is the only reason Gay people wanted to get married.

Is that a reason to get married?

[emo]

That is just it it is not a right.

It is an honor, and not just to recieve benefits. That is the only reason Gay people wanted to get married.

Is that a reason to get married?

how do you know its just to receive benefits? I suspect that you avoid gays and all minorities with all your might.

and I think it can be argued that it is a right under the 14th amendment

[emo]

by the way I find it incredibly humorous that you'd be gop and have a pic of rudy, who is about as republican as I am.

[chickie]

how do you know its just to receive benefits? I suspect that you avoid gays and all minorities with all your might.

and I think it can be argued that it is a right under the 14th amendment

That is what it is all about - BENEFITS

If it was just about LOVE and wanting to spend the rest of their lives with their partner they would do that. A piece of paper does not confirm it.

And no I don't avoid gays and minorites with all of my might. One of my best friends brother is Gay, another one is married to a Jamaican (which can be considered black). I get along with them just fine.

[JoeMama]

how do you know its just to receive benefits? I suspect that you avoid gays and all minorities with all your might.

and I think it can be argued that it is a right under the 14th amendment

The nice thing about society as a whole is that -- in the end -- conservatives always lose. There's an inevitable march toward progress that conservatives cannot stop.

And no matter how many times conservatives lose the battle to oppress whatever "minority of the week" they currently hate, society always tells them to shut the **** up & recognizes the need for equal rights anyway.

For real, the list goes on & on.

Conservatives fought to oppress blacks. They lost.

Conservatives fought oppress women. They lost.

Conservatives fought to ban miscengeny. They lost.

Conservatives fought to ban homosexuality. They lost.

Now conservatives have a morbid infatuation with banning gay marriage.

And they'll lose that battle too.

These no-memory-having mother****ers just never learn their lesson.

They can't control society based on their own hatreds & fears. It just doesn't work. Society is a progressive, foward-moving place where idiotic, conservative beliefs are either trampled or left behind.

And the odd thing is this notion that marriage being a "privilege" rather than a "right" somehow justifies hatred of gay marriage, as if it makes any difference.

Education isn't a "right" either -- but that doesn't mean the gov't can exclude whomever they want from the classroom. A privilege though education may be, the gov't still has an obligation to treat it's citizens equally.

It's like saying segregation is ok because education is a privilege, not a right.

The bottom line is, if the gov't gets involved with providing some sort of service, it's required to maintain equal protection of the law under the 14th amendment.

It's that simple.

And understand, I'm of the opinion that ALL marriage is wrong. Not just gay marriage.

But this bizarre hatred of gay marriage just blows my mind.

[JoeMama]

That is what it is all about - BENEFITS

If it was just about LOVE and wanting to spend the rest of their lives with their partner they would do that. A piece of paper does not confirm it.

And no I don't avoid gays and minorites with all of my might. One of my best friends brother is Gay, another one is married to a Jamaican (which can be considered black). I get along with them just fine.

Yeah.

Gays should just shut the **** up & accept the fact that they're second class citizens who don't have the same access to hospital visitation rights, estate transference, & social security transference that heterosexual partners take for granted.

The nerve of those greedy ******s, acting like they're "equal" human beings.

I say we stone them to death, like the Bible says!

[chickie]

HAHAHA!! You are right!! You damn Liberals had to fight for woman's rights! And as much as many of you would love for me to go away you can thank the damn Liberals for giving me my rights!!

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Keep fighting for rights...you never know what you are going to get in the end!

[Meathead]

nice job joe

[uppy]

I call bullshit joe....it was the GOP thay pushed for civil rights in this country.

Also NO ONE is telling gays thay can't get married,thay just cant marrie each other. :)


Gays should just shut the **** up & accept the fact that they're second class citizens who don't have the same access to hospital visitation rights, estate transference, & social security transference that heterosexual partners take for granted.


Thay can do all that with power of attorney.

[JoeMama]

I call bullshit joe....it was the GOP thay pushed for civil rights in this country.

Also NO ONE is telling gays thay can't get married,thay just cant marrie each other. :)


What a shocker, uppy can't read for shit.

Notice I used the term "conservatives" instead of Republicans.

I did that for a specific reason.

Conservatives & liberals have flip-flopped party affiliation a number of times throughout US history.

So try to keep up.

And as far as power of attorney, sorry, it's not that easy.

For one, it costs lots money to have a lawyer involved in said powers. Where as if a gay couple could just obtain a license -- whether it's marriage or a civil union or whatever -- the process would be validated immediately without legal obfuscation.

[uppy]

LOL

I love that line

Conservatives & liberals have flip-flopped party affiliation a number of times throughout US history.

Thay may have been true, but in my life time it has not happend

For one, it costs lots money to have a lawyer involved in all kinds of said powers

TFB,If thay love each other thay should be willing to spend some cash.

[chickie]

What a shocker, uppy can't read for shit.

Notice I used the term "conservatives" instead of Republicans.

I did that for a specific reason.

Conservatives & liberals have flip-flopped party affiliation a number of times throughout US history.

So try to keep up.

And as far as power of attorney, sorry, it's not that easy.

For one, it costs lots money to have a lawyer involved in said powers. Where as if a gay couple could just obtain a license -- whether it's marriage or a civil union or whatever -- the process would be validated immediately without legal obfuscation.


OMG - Who ever said life was going to be easy?

This is a bunch of crap.

Marraige is between a man and a woman. It is institution that I just don't think that we should alter.

No one isn't saying they can't be domestic parnters and offer them some type of solution to their benefits issues. I just don't think we should allow gay marriages.

Why don't we just throw religion and beliefs and everything else right out the door.

[г]

Thay may have been true, but in my life time it has not happend

How old are you, Uppy ?

[chickie]

LOL

I love that line



Thay may have been true, but in my life time it has not happend



TFB,If thay love each other thay should be willing to spend some cash.


Very good point - one sould never put a price tag on LOVE. Mixing the two will only end in a huge train wreck.

[uppy]

How old are you, Uppy ?

40 something

[emo]

so, gop, you clearly want to discriminate against fellow human beings because the word marriage means something to you?


there are married gays now, how has that effected your marriage? are you currently divorced?

by the way, george mcgovern was against the equal rights bill, that is conservative george mcgovern

[uppy]

Very good point - one sould never put a price tag on LOVE. Mixing the two will only end in a huge train wreck.

Well said Chick !

But,as we know its not about love....its an agenda

[г]

40 something

Then you don't understand your own country's history very well. Democrats and Republicans certainly have flip-flopped ideologically in your lifetime.

[uppy]

so, gop, you clearly want to discriminate against fellow human beings because the word marriage means something to you?


there are married gays now, how has that effected your marriage? are you currently divorced?

by the way, george mcgovern was against the equal rights bill, that is conservative george mcgovern

discriminate against fellow human beings ?

Most people don't give a damn what kind of sex people have with each other

as long as thay are not diddling kids.

[chickie]

so, gop, you clearly want to discriminate against fellow human beings because the word marriage means something to you?


there are married gays now, how has that effected your marriage? are you currently divorced?

by the way, george mcgovern was against the equal rights bill, that is conservative george mcgovern

They want to be married to have benefits, and to know that they are protected if their domestic partner dies. Well that is not what a marriage is and you don't have to get married for those reasons. That is a fact.

[emo]

discriminate against fellow human beings ?

Most people don't give a damn what kind of sex people have with each other

as long as thay are not diddling kids.

right I'm not sure how that fits with what I said. To not allow something to someone that you enjoy, not by honor but by law, and right is discrimination.

but again how have these married gays effected your life?

[uppy]

Then you don't understand your own country's history very well. Democrats and Republicans certainly have flip-flopped idealogically in your lifetime.

I've been a reb all my life I have not flip-flopped

[JoeMama]

LOL!

The douchebags are out in full force today.

"Don't touch marriage, it's ours!"

You boneheads sound like a little kid who doesn't want to play with one of their toys until another kid wants to play with it.

And please, let's give a round of ****ing applause for the bangup job heterosexuals have done with marriage.

60% divorce rate.

Keep up the good work, dipshits.

Marriage is obviously way too sanctimonious for those evil queers!

They'd corrupt the sanctity of our 60% divorce rate!

How do you idiots manage to breathe, let alone form political opinions?

[emo]

They want to be married to have benefits, and to know that they are protected if their domestic partner dies. Well that is not what a marriage is and you don't have to get married for those reasons. That is a fact.

why did you get married, if you are?

[chickie]

why did you get married, if you are?

To start a FAMILY - something that GAY people will never be able to do TOGETHER.

[JoeMama]

To start a FAMILY - something that GAY people will never be able to do TOGETHER.

Then we better ban marriage for any other purpose than procreation.

Anyone who is incapable of having kids or doesn't want kids need not apply for a marriage license.

[г]

I've been a reb all my life I have not flip-flopped

LOL, playing the intentionally stupid card (on the same issue) again...pathetic.

George Wallace anyone ?

[chickie]

LOL!

The douchebags are out in full force today.

"Don't touch marriage, it's ours!"

You boneheads sound like a little kid who doesn't want to play with one of their toys until another kid wants to play with it.

And please, let's give a round of ****ing applause for the bangup job heterosexuals have done with marriage.

60% divorce rate.

Keep up the good work, dipshits.

Marriage is obviously way too sanctimonious for the evil gays!

They'd corrupt the sanctity of a 60% divorce rate!

How do you idiots manage to breathe, let alone form political opinions?


Yeah, why do you think the Divorce rate is so high.

Why make anymore of a mockery out of it?

[uppy]

LOL!

The douchebags are out in full force today.



Thats always your answer joe

[uppy]

LOL, playing the intentionally stupid card (on the same issue) again...pathetic.

George Wallace anyone ?


Wallace was a demo

[г]

Operative word was

Is it groundhog day ?

[JoeMama]

Yeah, why do you think the Divorce rate is so high.

Why make anymore of a mockery out of it?

LOL!

Bigots show their true colors when they associate gay monogamy with a "mockery" or an affront to marriage.

Conservative dipshits always act as though marriage is this giant, living, breathing thing. And that if gays get their piece of the action; that the giant, living entity that is marriage will become sick & die.

It's such ridiculous notion.

Again, it doesn't effect your life, or uppy's life, or anyone else's life except the two people who get married.

This bizarre desire to impose theocratic rule & ban marriage between certain groups of people is ****ing retarded.

[uppy]

Operative word was

Is it groundhog day ?

He is dead....he never was in the gop

[JoeMama]

Thats always your answer joe

And somehow, it's always the correct answer.

[chickie]

LOL!

Bigots show their true colors when they associate gay monogamy with a "mockery" or an affront to marriage.

Conservative dipshits always act as though marriage is this giant, living, breathing thing. And that if gays get their piece of the action; that the giant, living entity that is marriage will become sick & die.

It's such ridiculous notion.

Again, it doesn't effect your life, or uppy's life, or anyone else's life except the two people who get married.

This bizarre desire to impose theocratic rule & ban marriage between certain groups of people is ****ing retarded.

It is not retarded.

So I take it then that you would have no problem with men having multiple wives, or woman having multiple husbands.

It should just become a free for all, right?

[г]

He is dead....he never was in the gopNeither was Joe Lieberman...

[uppy]

Neither was Joe Lieberman...

And your point is ?

[JoeMama]

It is not retarded.

So I take it then that you would have no problem with men having multiple wives, or woman having multiple husbands.

It should just become a free for all, right?

"It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg" -- Tom Jefferson

The kind of relationships consenting adults want to take part in is their own business.

Not mine.

[uppy]

And somehow, it's always the correct answer.

To a moonbat perhaps

[г]

And your point is ?

I wouldn't expect you to connect the dots, because I know that you're intentionally playing stupid, but there are plenty of examples (recent, even) of individuals and/or parties doing the ideological flip-flop.

In your lifetime, even.

[uppy]

"It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg" -- Tom Jefferson

The kind of relationships consenting adults want to take part in is their own business.

Not mine.


As I have said before...I don't care what people do in their bedrooms.

But,don't shove a agenda at me

[JoeMama]

To a moonbat perhaps

Whatever that means.

I don't really pay attention to lame conservative, colloquialisms.

[uppy]

I wouldn't expect you to connect the dots, because I know that you're intentionally playing stupid, but there are plenty of examples (recent, even) of individuals and/or parties doing the ideological flip-flop.

In your lifetime, even.

show me D3....

[chickie]

"It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg" -- Tom Jefferson

The kind of relationships consenting adults want to take part in is their own business.

Not mine.

If it is none of your business what two adults do, then why do you feel so stongly the way you do?

There is nothing wrong with people trying to protect the American Culture and the true meaning of marriage.

Maybe if more people did our divorce rate would not be as high as it is.

[JoeMama]

As I have said before...I don't care what people do in their bedrooms.

But,don't shove a agenda at me

Right.

Clearly you "don't care" what gay people do...

You're so aloof toward gays that you've only posted in this thread over a dozen times in the last hour railing against them.

So don't give me this bullshit that you don't care what gays do.

Gay marriage doesn't affect your crappy life one way or another. So let's not beat around the bush anymore. You just don't like gays. You don't want them to marry -- because much like a small child -- you have a possessive attitude toward marriage, as if it's yours.

[JoeMama]

If it is none of your business what two adults do, then why do you feel so stongly the way you do?

There is nothing wrong with people trying to protect the American Culture and the true meaning of marriage.

Maybe if more people did our divorce rate would not be as high as it is.

If that were the case then Christians wouldn't have the highest divorce rate in the country.

Baptists, in particular, are the heavyweight champs of divorce when you break it down by sect.

Atheists have the lowest.

Go figure.

The "American Culture" advocates are the biggest threat to the institution of marriage.

Not gays.

So let's dismiss that misconception right away.

And look, I'm in favor of gay marriage because it's common sense.

If two consenting adults want to join a pact in order to make their relationship legitimate under the law, then they should be able to do so.

And the root of my belief stems from the Constitution & the 14th amendment.

Because unlike the moral police in this country, I'm pro-America & pro-freedom.

[uppy]

Right.

Clearly you "don't care" what gay people do...

You're so aloof toward gays that you've only posted in this thread thread over a dozen times in the last hour railing against them.

So don't give me this bullshit that you don't care what gays do.

I'm not posting against GAYS...I could care less what thay do with each

other.....but marriage is between a Man and a Woman and has been for

all of known history.

[emo]

To start a FAMILY - something that GAY people will never be able to do TOGETHER.

you didn't get married because you love your husband?


you know you don't need to be married to start a family, so lets try to find a better answer

[uppy]

you know you don't need to be married to start a family


You should be.

[emo]

You should be.

right, so you got married because you wanted to start a family too?

[emo]

here is another question

if you had a gay son or daughter and they wanted to get married you'd tell them that they can't because it insults your marriage?

[uppy]

here is another question

if you had a gay son or daughter and they wanted to get married you'd tell them that they can't because it insults your marriage?

Well, my kid would never be gay....but to answer the question,YUP

[uppy]

right, so you got married because you wanted to start a family too?

Thays why people get married.....give this man a cookie

[JoeMama]

I'm not posting against GAYS...I could care less what thay do with each

other.....but marriage is between a Man and a Woman and has been for

all of known history.

Gay relationships have existed thru all of known history too.

Just because some dipshit decided that marriage was strictly between a man & a woman thousands of years ago when people were even stupider than they are now doesn't justify anything.

And again, there is no ownership of marriage. So quit with the crass attitude that marriage is yours.

It's not like there's a license in the US patent office that says, "Sorry, gays can't marry b/c it turns out heterosexuals already called dibs on it!"

[emo]

Well, my kid would never be gay....but to answer the question,YUP

right, I bet dick cheney thought the same thing, apparently that didn't work out so well

so you'd tell your son, who you love more than anything else and would die for that he can't marry his boyfriend because it insults you and his mom? so an instutition is more important to you than your own flesh or blood?

[JoeMama]

Well, my kid would never be gay....but to answer the question,YUP

LOL!

Mr. Family Values strikes again.

[emo]

Thays why people get married.....give this man a cookie

I'm getting married, and neither of us wants kids, so whya re we getting married?'

here I thought it was about love, and wanting to have it known to everyone hmmm

[JoeMama]

so you'd tell your son, who you love more than anything else and would die for that he can't marry his boyfriend because it insults you and his mom? so an instutition is more important to you than your own flesh or blood?

Awesome question, it's too bad we already know the answer.

[emo]

Awesome question, it's too bad we already know the answer.

heh, I dont' believe for a minute that either would do it. when puish comes to shove if they were faced with that situation they would be for gay marriage. blood is thicker than everything

[uppy]

I'm getting married, and neither of us wants kids, so whya re we getting married?'

here I thought it was about love, and wanting to have it known to everyone hmmm


Congrats emocre....I wish you a happy life

[emo]

Congrats emocre....I wish you a happy life

heh, thank you

[ckg68]

As I have said before...I don't care what people do in their bedrooms.

But,don't shove a agenda at me

Good.

Then I assume you'll fight long and hard to end the "heterosexual agenda"....advocating public,long-lasting,PDAs between people of the opposite sex. I can't tell you the number of times I've thought to myself,after seeing a long make-out session in public,"Will you guys get a room,please?"

And,uppy,why haven't you signed on to the Defense of Britney's Marriage Act? 'Cause if Brit's marriage can't make it,then I guess no marriage can.

[г]

I'm getting married, and neither of us wants kids, so whya re we getting married?'

How about your (widowed) 75 year-old Aunt Edna who had a historectomy at 55 ?

Should she be allowed to re-marry ?

[emo]

as I've said before I don't think they would think this way if it were their kids

[г]

show me D3....

The intentionally stupid act is wearing thin. I've mentioned two examples in this thread, one from the 60's and one from earlier this year.

Look it up, I'm not your ****ing monkey and refuse to aid and abet your ****ing ignorance, intentional or otherwise.

[chickie]

right, I bet dick cheney thought the same thing, apparently that didn't work out so well

so you'd tell your son, who you love more than anything else and would die for that he can't marry his boyfriend because it insults you and his mom? so an instutition is more important to you than your own flesh or blood?

I do have a son.

And if my son came to me and told me he was gay, I would of course accept that because he is my son. However I would not promote him getting married.

Marriage is a union between a man and a woman.

You can have a domestic partner and have all the benefits. You DON"T have to get married to have those benefits.

[chickie]

Good.

Then I assume you'll fight long and hard to end the "heterosexual agenda"....advocating public,long-lasting,PDAs between people of the opposite sex. I can't tell you the number of times I've thought to myself,after seeing a long make-out session in public,"Will you guys get a room,please?"

And,uppy,why haven't you signed on to the Defense of Britney's Marriage Act? 'Cause if Brit's marriage can't make it,then I guess no marriage can.

I think ALL of AMERICA knew that marriage was a joke!

[emo]

I do have a son.

And if my son came to me and told me he was gay, I would of course accept that because he is my son. However I would not promote him getting married.

Marriage is a union between a man and a woman.

You can have a domestic partner and have all the benefits. You DON"T have to get married to have those benefits.

so your son wants to marry his boyfriend because its a symbol of enduring love, you'd say no because he can get benefits without having to actually do the ceremony?

further you'd be ok if they did everything that was a marriage ceremony but called it something else?

[г]

I think ALL of AMERICA knew that marriage was a joke!

So what's the issue, then ?

[JLB]

so your son wants to marry his boyfriend because its a symbol of enduring love, you'd say no because he can get benefits without having to actually do the ceremony?

further you'd be ok if they did everything that was a marriage ceremony but called it something else?

What would you do and why?

[г]

They have water-fountains that are labelled 'Blacks' to drink from.

What's the problem ? ;)

[г]

Speaking of drinking...I juts pulled out a bottle of beer from the back of the fridge that's frozen at the neck....Son of a bitch@!

[chickie]

so your son wants to marry his boyfriend because its a symbol of enduring love, you'd say no because he can get benefits without having to actually do the ceremony?

further you'd be ok if they did everything that was a marriage ceremony but called it something else?

There should be no ceremonies period.

Again, if we allow gay's then pretty soon we will be allowing people to have multiple wives/husbands.

A marraige is a symbol of love, yes I will give you that. Where do you marry and who marries you. Usually in a CHURCH and by a Priest, minister, what have you. You are marrying before God. God created a woman for a man, not a man for a man.

A church should not be forced into changing their rules, and laws for peoples selfish desires.

[г]

You're confusing church with marriage....yes marriages are often performed in churches, but the right to marry and the right to marry in a church are separate issues...

[chickie]

No I am not ~~ Where did marriages first take place?

[emo]

What would you do and why?

I would accept my son for whatever he was and support any decision he made

why? because he's my child and I'd love him more than anything

[г]

No I am not ~~ Where did marriages first take place?

Irrelevant. Do you go to the pastor/priest to get a driver's license ?

[emo]

There should be no ceremonies period.

Again, if we allow gay's then pretty soon we will be allowing people to have multiple wives/husbands.

A marraige is a symbol of love, yes I will give you that. Where do you marry and who marries you. Usually in a CHURCH and by a Priest, minister, what have you. You are marrying before God. God created a woman for a man, not a man for a man.

A church should not be forced into changing their rules, and laws for peoples selfish desires.

ok there are som many things here to talk about

1. there is such a church as a unitarian univeralist church that accepts everyone no matter their sexual orientation hell even religion. Kinda nice isn't it makes me think the other religions have it wrong.

2. selfish desires? expressing love and celebrating it is selfish? then why should you have been allowed to express your selfish desire?

3. Since when does god play a role in law? I'm pretty sure god wouldn't be ok with people using his name to degrade other people.

[JoeMama]

No I am not ~~ Where did marriages first take place?

Marriage is a universal institution.

It predates Christianity.

The term for marriage we use today didn't even arise until the 14th century, which is based on the French word, merier.

Which uppy will like, since he loves France about as much as cancer.

[JLB]

I would accept my son for whatever he was and support any decision he made

why? because he's my child and I'd love him more than anything

Good answer but you would have an objection to anybody not choosing your particular choice. I mean you have absolutely no say if somebody didn't agree with your choices right? What if someone decided their child needed help from different means that would be up to them and not you right?
I don't disagree with what you say to be clear here but there is no absolute correct one size fits all golden rule answer what say you?

[emo]

let me add that judges can marry people as well. But if you think that marriage has to occur in a church does that mean atheists aren't allowed to get married either

I worry that you would teach your children the same intolerance in the name of protecting a word

I'd liek to see the percentage of divorce among same sex married couples. I mean if they have a significantly lower divorce rate then isn't it the heterosexual who is descreting the institution of marriage

[JLB]

Marriage is a universal institution.

It predates Christianity.

The term for marriage we use today didn't even arise until the 14th century, which is based on the French word, merier.

Which uppy will like, since he loves France about as much as cancer.

Uppy is going to appreciate that lol.

[emo]

Good answer but you would have an objection to anybody not choosing your particular choice. I mean you have absolutely no say if somebody didn't agree with your choices right? What if someone decided their child needed help from different means that would be up to them and not you right?
I don't disagree with what you say to be clear here but there is no absolute correct one size fits all golden rule answer what say you?

if the choice is to keep fellow human beings relegated as second class citizens and not given the rights and privileges that I enjoy then yes I have a huge problem with that.

[emo]

if it was homeschooling or something along those lines then of course, and you arne't going to be able to control what parents teach children, but if you allow ignorance and intolerance to be taught then we get nowhere as a society.

[JLB]

let me add that judges can marry people as well. But if you think that marriage has to occur in a church does that mean atheists aren't allowed to get married either

I worry that you would teach your children the same intolerance in the name of protecting a word

I'd liek to see the percentage of divorce among same sex married couples. I mean if they have a significantly lower divorce rate then isn't it the heterosexual who is descreting the institution of marriage

What about just living together do you have a problem with that?
What if your daughter for instance loved 3 guys and they thought hell this is great for us would you interfere or stay out of it. Would you support and love your child no matter what would you buy all of them Birthday Christmas and ANNIVERSARY gifts?

[JLB]

if the choice is to keep fellow human beings relegated as second class citizens and not given the rights and privileges that I enjoy then yes I have a huge problem with that.

No their all rich and could buy and sell you 10 times over how do you feel then? Should you mind your own business and live and let live or what exactly?

[emo]

What about just living together do you have a problem with that?
What if your daughter for instance loved 3 guys and they thought hell this is great for us would you interfere or stay out of it. Would you support and love your child no matter what would you buy all of them Birthday Christmas and ANNIVERSARY gifts?

of course, my daughter is an adult, I hope that I was able to teach her to think for herself and to find the way that fits best for her. if they made a big deal about anniversary, of course I would.

[emo]

No their all rich and could buy and sell you 10 times over how do you feel then? Should you mind your own business and live and let live or what exactly?

I'm not sure what you're getting at here but there are a lot of peiople right now that could buy and sell me ten times over.

[г]

Draw straws for which of the three to buy gifts for...

[emo]

gopchick this is a personal question but relelvant to the argument, were youa virgin when you got married?

[JLB]

if it was homeschooling or something along those lines then of course, and you arne't going to be able to control what parents teach children, but if you allow ignorance and intolerance to be taught then we get nowhere as a society.

Do you make that determination how do you qualify?
Ignorance and intolerance according to who?

[JLB]

I'm not sure what you're getting at here but there are a lot of peiople right now that could buy and sell me ten times over.

Does that matter then?

[JoeMama]

were youa virgin when you got married?

This thread is about to get way more interesting.

[uppy]

gopchick this is a personal question but relelvant to the argument, were youa virgin when you got married?

Thats not a relelvant question to this argument,try again

[JLB]

Draw straws for which of the three to buy gifts for...

Doug your daughter might be left out would you risk that?

[г]

'Well, technically (if you throw out the horse named 'Caligula'...'

[emo]

Do you make that determination how do you qualify?
Ignorance and intolerance according to who?

well if you want to use that bible thing to say that god is against gays, I'm pretty god says in there that all people should be treated as equals

[г]

Doug your daughter might be left out would you risk that?

Who ****ing cares ?

[JLB]

This thread is about to get way more interesting.

Yes right you are lets keep this thing going.
So far I have 3 questions out there waiting for responses.

[emo]

Thats not a relelvant question to this argument,try again

it most certainly is, if you say that marriage occurs in a church, and the church si against gay marriage, and the church is against pre-marital sex then how do you have a right to get married a church when yo've broken the rules too?

[JLB]

Who ****ing cares ?

Oh well let emo answer the question then.

[emo]

Yes right you are lets keep this thing going.
So far I have 3 questions out there waiting for responses.

I dont' understand your question as to whether who could buy or sell me ten times over

[JLB]

it most certainly is, if you say that marriage occurs in a church, and the church si against gay marriage, and the church is against pre-marital sex then how do you have a right to get married a church when yo've broken the rules too?

Can you please get back to my questions?

[г]

Oh well let emo answer the question then.

http://www.emophilips.com/content/emo_images/emo_philips_birthday_party.jpg

[emo]

Can you please get back to my questions?

I answered the first one about as to how to determine what is and isn't ignorant

as to who sets the rules, well obviously the parent would but in genreal society as a whole sets the rules

and I have no idea what you are talking about when you refer to super rich people

[JLB]

I dont' understand your question as to whether who could buy or sell me ten times over

Try some of the others then.
It basically means if somebody has money do you take a hike with advice.
You have a young impressionable daughter.
She likes 3 guys 2 of which don't need or want your opinion on nothing.
These are the guys with the money.
The other guy a vagrant with aids wins her heart.
Do you tell her stay away or is it still her choice and you keep your mouth shut? They insist marriage is of no interest neither believe in God and want you to stay away and mind your business.
What do you do to help her if anything?

[JLB]

I answered the first one about as to how to determine what is and isn't ignorant

as to who sets the rules, well obviously the parent would but in genreal society as a whole sets the rules

and I have no idea what you are talking about when you refer to super rich people


Read my next post you will.

[г]

And what if...last summer...at band camp...

[JLB]

http://www.emophilips.com/content/emo_images/emo_philips_birthday_party.jpg

Another unbelieveable effort great post where did you find my picture so soon?

[emo]

Try some of the others then.
It basically means if somebody has money do you take a hike with advice.
You have a young impressionable daughter.
She likes 3 guys 2 of which don't need or want your opinion on nothing.
These are the guys with the money.
The other guy a vagrant with aids wins her heart.
Do you tell her stay away or is it still her choice and you keep your mouth shut? They insist marriage is of no interest neither believe in God and want you to stay away and mind your business.
What do you do to help her if anything?

in law school we called you convoluted hypo guy


hmm I can't even begin to formulate an answer to this

if she loves the aids guy then so be it, though the rest of your hypo doesn't really make any sense, if she told me to stay away, then what choice would I have?

[JLB]

And what if...last summer...at band camp...

Somebody took adavantage of your beautiful daughter and she couldn't identify anybody what would you do then?

[г]

Wait. I'll take 'in a theocratic state, you could chop your daughter's hand off for shaming the family' for $200

[JLB]

in law school we called you convoluted hypo guy


hmm I can't even begin to formulate an answer to this

if she loves the aids guy then so be it, though the rest of your hypo doesn't really make any sense, if she told me to stay away, then what choice would I have?

You could find a way to help her anyway.

[г]

Somebody took adavantage of your beautiful daughter and she couldn't identify anybody what would you do then?

Nothing that I would share on a message board, sweetheart

[JLB]

Wait. I'll take 'in a theocratic state, you could chop your daughter's hand off for shaming the family' for $200

Why only 200?

[г]

Because that's what's she's charging....

[JLB]

Nothing that I would share on a message board, sweetheart

Look Doug nothing like calling a real big guy sweetheart but I'd be a little more considerate. After all we hardly even know each other.

[JLB]

Because that's what's she's charging....

Charging?

[JLB]

in law school we called you convoluted hypo guy


hmm I can't even begin to formulate an answer to this

if she loves the aids guy then so be it, though the rest of your hypo doesn't really make any sense, if she told me to stay away, then what choice would I have?

You could find a way to help her anyway.

[ICRockets]

There should be no ceremonies period.

Again, if we allow gay's then pretty soon we will be allowing people to have multiple wives/husbands.

A marraige is a symbol of love, yes I will give you that. Where do you marry and who marries you. Usually in a CHURCH and by a Priest, minister, what have you. You are marrying before God. God created a woman for a man, not a man for a man.

A church should not be forced into changing their rules, and laws for peoples selfish desires.

This is a gross misrepresentation or misunderstanding of the argument at hand.

Nobody is saying we should force a church to do the ceremony against their own beliefs. A church is a private institution, and I'm pretty certain they would not be forced to do this.

What we advocate is for the STATES (or the Feds, but I think that's probably at least a decade or two away) to legalize it. After that, the churches who don't oppose it may marry homosexual couples and the ones who do are not affected.

[ICRockets]

That is what it is all about - BENEFITS

If it was just about LOVE and wanting to spend the rest of their lives with their partner they would do that. A piece of paper does not confirm it.

And no I don't avoid gays and minorites with all of my might. One of my best friends brother is Gay, another one is married to a Jamaican (which can be considered black). I get along with them just fine.

Now I'm confused. Is marriage about love or about procreation? Make up your mind, chick.

[chickie]

That's it - I have had enough of this.

Personally I don't care if someone is Gay or not. I know plenty of Gay people, just like I know plenty of minorties. I really don't care what they do with their lives, just like they don't care what I do with mine. I make my decisions and they make theirs. What 2 people do is their own business.

However, I - let me emphaize I do not feel that we should allow Gay people to marry because where will we draw a line?

Not one person out here has answered that question - NOT ONCE!

Are we going to allow multiple husbands/wives next? LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE HERE.

Everyone tries to put a twist on it, but they love each other, hetrosexuals can marry, they just want their rights. Being in love with someone is not a RIGHT. If you love someone and you want to be with that person you don't have to marry them. You are happy just knowing that you are a part of each others LIVES! To me making a personal commitment to someone means a lot more than any ceremony.

So when someone wants to answer MY question about where we draw the line, I will be more then happy to continue this discussion.

[JoeMama]

.

However, I - let me emphaize I do not feel that we should allow Gay people to marry because where will we draw a line?

Not one person out here has answered that question - NOT ONCE!

Are we going to allow multiple husbands/wives next? LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE HERE.

I answered that pages ago.

So you can drop all this, "No one answered my inane question!" stuff.

And look, the "Rick Satorum" defense is bullshit.

"Boo hoo hoo! If gay marriage is legalized, the gov't will promote bigamy! Poligamy! Incest! Adultery! Beastiality!"

It's a paranoid fantasy.

[chickie]

I answered that pages ago.

So you can drop all this, "No one answered my inane question!" stuff.

And look, the "Rick Satorum" defense is bullshit.

"Boo hoo hoo! If gay marriage is legalized, the gov't will promote bigamy! Poligamy! Incest! Adultery! Beastiality!"

It's a paranoid fantasy.

No it is not a paranoid fantasy.

This is where people are not looking at the big picture. No one is not telling them that they can't live these lifestyles, but don't force the Gov't or Society to accept the lifestyle.

We are constanly changing laws, and bending over backwards to accommodate peoples wishes, so we will be hearing from the bigamists, poligamists, etc.....IF THE PASS GAY MARRIAGES ALL TOGETHER.

And you are right, at that point we should just ban marriages all together.

[pmoon6]

Somebody took adavantage of your beautiful daughter and she couldn't identify anybody what would you do then?Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out, but first I might use the water board torture to illicit a confession.

[JoeMama]

No it is not a paranoid fantasy.

This is where people are not looking at the big picture. No one is not telling them that they can't live these lifestyles, but don't force the Gov't or Society to accept the lifestyle.

We are constanly changing laws, and bending over backwards to accommodate peoples wishes, so we will be hearing from the bigamists, poligamists, etc.....IF THE PASS GAY MARRIAGES ALL TOGETHER.


Honestly, this shit is getting laughable.

Massachussetts legalized gay marriage & there isn't an influx of requests for gov't recognitition of bigamy or polygamy on behalf of the people.

In fact, it's not even an issue.

It's a deluded, right-wing fantasy that gay marriage is a Pandora's Box for all kinds of other weird shit.

And keep in mind, people still have to consent to polygamy even if the gov't offers its stamp of approval.

How inclined would you be to marry a guy that already had eight different wives?

How many people do you know are ok with their spouse having eight other spouses?

It's virtually non-existent.

Look, when even the Church of Latter Day Saints has thrown in the towel on polygamy, it's obviously not in very high demand.

So for real, drop the charade.

It's a disingenuous argument based on a lot of overwrought assumptions.

[pmoon6]

Honestly, this shit is getting laughable.

Massachussetts legalized gay marriage & there isn't an influx of requests for bigamy or polygamy on behalf of the gov't.

Nada.

Complete non-issue.

It's a deluded, right-wing fantasy that gay marriage is a Pandora's Box for all kinds of other weird shit.

And keep in mind, people still have to consent to polygamy even if the gov't offers its stamp of approval.

How inclined would you be to marry a guy that already had eight different wives?

How many people do you know are ok with their spouse having eight other spouses?

It's virtually non-existent.

Look, when even the Church of Latter Day Saints has thrown in the towel on polygamy, it's obviously not in very high demand.

So for real, drop the charade.

It's a disingenuous argument & it's based on a lot of idiotic assumptions.Only Bill Paxton on HBO.:D

Why any man in their right mind would want more than one spouse is beyond me. One is hard enough.

[JoeMama]

Only Bill Paxton on HBO.:D

Why any man in their right mind would want more than one spouse is beyond me. One is hard enough.

It's nutty.

I can barely handle the demands attached to a relationship with a casual girlfriend, let alone a marriage -- or god forbid -- multiple marriages.

[chickie]

It's nutty.

I can barely handle the demands attached to a relationship with a casual girlfriend, let alone a marriage -- or god forbid -- multiple marriages.

You know what you are right......

Go ahead, who gives a crap. And when they do want to start allowing multipe marriages in Utah, Colorado, etc.....you remember this conversation.

I bet that 15 years ago nobody ever thought that Gay people were going to want their right to marry either. Hell some of them are still afraid to come out of the closet.

Again not thinking of the WHOLE picture.

So go ahead keep thinking the way you are thinking. Think for the moment not the long term effects. :n4clapping:

[JoeMama]

You know what you are right......

Go ahead, who gives a crap. And when they do want to start allowing multipe marriages in Utah, Colorado, etc.....you remember this conversation.

I bet that 15 years ago nobody ever thought that Gay people were going to want their right to marry either. Hell some of them are still afraid to come out of the closet.

Again not thinking of the WHOLE picture.

So go ahead keep thinking the way you are thinking. Think for the moment not the long term effects. :n4clapping:

LOL!

It's funny to see someone cling so desperately to such a vacuous argument.

You may stomp your little fists & preach about the "big picture" but you know as well as I do that the entire "Pandora's Box" argument is a total crock of shit.

Gay marriage is legal in Massachussetts. There's no epidemic of bigamy or polygamy whatsoever. Even the Church of Mormon opposes polygamy -- & that was the only bastion of support polygamy ever really had in this country.

It's a false & hysterical claim to assume that one form of marriage you don't like is going to lead to other forms of marriage you don't like.

Which is an awful crass, self-absorbed view to begin with that marriage is yours to control.

And keep in mind, just for a historical reference, the same exact reasons you're pimping in opposition to gay marriage are the same ones used in opposition to miscegany.

Society certainly didn't crumble once blacks could marry whites.

But a whole lot of people look really stupid for ever opposing miscegany in retrospect. And the same will happen to people today that oppose gay marriage.

Remember, you are going to lose. Society is progressive. Bigoted beliefs get trampled or left behind. Always.

[chickie]

LOL!

It's funny to see someone cling so desperately to such a vacuous argument.

You may stomp your little fists & preach about the "big picture" but you know as well as I do that the entire "Pandora's Box" argument is a total crock of shit.

Gay marriage is legal in Massachussetts. There's no epidemic of bigamy or polygamy whatsoever. Even the Church of Mormon opposes polygamy -- & that was the only bastion of support polygamy ever really had in this country.

It's a false & hysterical claim to assume that one form of marriage you don't like is going to lead to other forms of marriage you don't like.
Which is an awful crass, self-absorbed view to begin with that marriage is yours to control.

And keep in mind, just for a historical reference, the same exact reasons you're pimping in opposition to gay marriage are the same ones used in opposition to miscegany.

Society certainly didn't crumble once blacks could marry whites.

But a whole lot of people look really stupid for ever opposing miscegany in retrospect. And the same will happen to people today that oppose gay marriage.

Remember, you are going to lose. Society is progressive. Bigoted beliefs get trampled or left behind. Always.


You cannot not guarantee this!

Oh yes call me a bigot.....I could care less.....this issue will probably be lost in the end, but at least I know I can stand behind MY beliefs and I am not afraid to voice them.

[JoeMama]

You cannot not guarantee this!

Oh yes call me a bigot.....I could care less.....this issue will probably be lost in the end, but at least I know I can stand behind MY beliefs and I am not afraid to voice them.

That's heartwarming.

Still, I can't wait for the day when the good guys win on this issue.

[chickie]

That's heartwarming.

Still, I can't wait for the day when the good guys win on this issue.

It's been fun Joe - I concede

Only because we will just agree to disagree. Not because you are right and not because I am right.

We both have made some good points. I can agree with some things you have said. At least I can admit that.

Chickie :)

[JoeMama]

It's been fun Joe - I concede

Only because we will just agree to disagree. Not because you are right and not because I am right.

We both have made some good points. I can agree with some things you have said. At least I can admit that.

Chickie :)

Fair enough.

Whenever you're ready to join the side the good guys are on, I'll be here. With open arms.

[chickie]

Fair enough.

Whenever you're ready to join the side the good guys are on, I'll be here. With open arms.

LOL!!!!

Oh I needed this laugh.

Why is it the first thought that ran through my head right now is to run quickly. :)

[ICRockets]

That's it - I have had enough of this.

Personally I don't care if someone is Gay or not. I know plenty of Gay people, just like I know plenty of minorties. I really don't care what they do with their lives, just like they don't care what I do with mine. I make my decisions and they make theirs. What 2 people do is their own business.

However, I - let me emphaize I do not feel that we should allow Gay people to marry because where will we draw a line?

Not one person out here has answered that question - NOT ONCE!

Are we going to allow multiple husbands/wives next? LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE HERE.

Everyone tries to put a twist on it, but they love each other, hetrosexuals can marry, they just want their rights. Being in love with someone is not a RIGHT. If you love someone and you want to be with that person you don't have to marry them. You are happy just knowing that you are a part of each others LIVES! To me making a personal commitment to someone means a lot more than any ceremony.

So when someone wants to answer MY question about where we draw the line, I will be more then happy to continue this discussion.

Here's a CRAZY idea. Instead of looking at this "whole picture", why don't you come up with a valid, secular reason why states should not allow homosexual marriage.

No obfuscating.

No changing the subject.

Homosexual marriage, and nothing more. Try to debunk it on its own merit, not on those of an ideology that less than .1% of the American population is even clamoring for.

[ICRockets]

No it is not a paranoid fantasy.

This is where people are not looking at the big picture. No one is not telling them that they can't live these lifestyles, but don't force the Gov't or Society to accept the lifestyle.

We are constanly changing laws, and bending over backwards to accommodate peoples wishes, so we will be hearing from the bigamists, poligamists, etc.....IF THE PASS GAY MARRIAGES ALL TOGETHER.

And you are right, at that point we should just ban marriages all together.

"Let the negroes vote?!?! What's next, canine suffrage?!????????!!!!!?!?!?!!!!11!??!!!111"

[ICRockets]

You know what you are right......

Go ahead, who gives a crap. And when they do want to start allowing multipe marriages in Utah, Colorado, etc.....you remember this conversation.

I bet that 15 years ago nobody ever thought that Gay people were going to want their right to marry either. Hell some of them are still afraid to come out of the closet.

Again not thinking of the WHOLE picture.

So go ahead keep thinking the way you are thinking. Think for the moment not the long term effects. :n4clapping:

Bark twice for Bush.

[chickie]

Here's a CRAZY idea. Instead of looking at this "whole picture", why don't you come up with a valid, secular reason why states should not allow homosexual marriage.

No obfuscating.

No changing the subject.

Homosexual marriage, and nothing more. Try to debunk it on its own merit, not on those of an ideology that less than .1% of the American population is even clamoring for.

Because it is not a marriage. Plain and simple.

God made woman for man - not man for man.

I am not saying that they can't have relations w/each other - do what you will, but don't redefine something for personal beliefs.

[ICRockets]

Because it is not a marriage. Plain and simple.

God made woman for man - not man for man.

I am not saying that they can't have relations w/each other - do what you will, but don't redefine something for personal beliefs.

I clearly recall the word 'secular' being in my eariler post. Try again.

[ICRockets]

Because it is not a marriage. Plain and simple.

God made woman for man - not man for man.

I am not saying that they can't have relations w/each other - do what you will, but don't redefine something for personal beliefs.

You've been saying this throughout the entire discussion, and I just don't understand it in the least.

At one time, an American citizen with voting rights was defined as "any white male over the age of 18". How'd that story end?

At one time, marriage was defined as "the union of a man and woman of the same race". Good thing that never changed.

I also wish they'd go back to the way it was in Shakespearean times when women weren't allowed on stage. Those were the days.

And if you ask me, the castrati were a fascinating group of men.

Progress is so stupid!!!

[chickie]

I clearly recall the word 'secular' being in my eariler post. Try again.

Marriage is a religios belief -

Now had you said civil union or something to that effect fine.

MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN - which is why I said that if you want to redefine this then fine I can keep 'secular' out of this.

[ICRockets]

Marriage is a religios belief -

Now had you said civil union or something to that effect fine.

MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN - which is why I said that if you want to redefine this then fine I can keep 'secular' out of this.

Marriage is not a religious belief. Marriage is a social entity. If it were a religious belief, our government would not try to define it at all.

Marriage is "a decision by 2 consenting adults- one man and one woman- to spend the rest of their lives together".

Now my question is- why? What SECULAR reason is there for the 'man and woman' portion of this definition?

[ICRockets]

That is what it is all about - BENEFITS

If it was just about LOVE and wanting to spend the rest of their lives with their partner they would do that. A piece of paper does not confirm it.

And no I don't avoid gays and minorites with all of my might. One of my best friends brother is Gay, another one is married to a Jamaican (which can be considered black). I get along with them just fine.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

It is not about benefits, it's about equality.

I'm curious- what do you think would happen if you tried to remove all the legal ramifications of marriage and made any couple of any sexual orientation go the 'power of attorney' route?

[pmoon6]

Because it is not a marriage. Plain and simple.

God made woman for man - not man for man.

I am not saying that they can't have relations w/each other - do what you will, but don't redefine something for personal beliefs.That's just religious dogma. Are you so presumptuous that you think you know what God wants or what he intended?

[35Pete]

"Let the negroes vote?!?! What's next, canine suffrage?!????????!!!!!?!?!?!!!!11!??!!!111"

Quit being hysterical. It's nauseating.

:barf:

[uppy]

That's just religious dogma. Are you so presumptuous that you think you know what God wants or what he intended?

We all know God wants men to marry men and woman to marry woman.

It makes it easer to have kids and keep mankind going.

[uppy]

posted by Joemama

Massachussetts legalized gay marriage

No,4 judges legalized gay marriage in mass.

Not the people, not the elected state goverment.

[uppy]

IC....its all about benefits.

case closed....people get married to protect the Kids

[pmoon6]

We all know God wants men to marry men and woman to marry woman.

It makes it easer to have kids and keep mankind going.And how do you know what God wants?

Just something for you to consider.

Maybe God was appalled by the world population explosion, his people starving and disease being spread because of pestilence. Maybe he decided to make some women infertile and some men to be attracked to other men with no chance of reproduction because "Be fruitful and multiply" was not working too well. Maybe he just adjusted at halftime. He's is one of Bill Belichick's biggest fans....or so I'm told.

We don't really know because the "Word of God" has not been heard for 2000 years and only a few people have actually heard it. I often wonder if those few people could have been mistaken.

[uppy]

Pmoon..I think is says some place in the Bible about men not laying with men.

BTW...some say Bellichick is god

[pmoon6]

Pmoon..I think is says some place in the Bible about men not laying with men.

BTW...some say Bellichick is godA) And who wrote the Bible?

B) Only people in New England.

[chickie]

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

It is not about benefits, it's about equality.

I'm curious- what do you think would happen if you tried to remove all the legal ramifications of marriage and made any couple of any sexual orientation go the 'power of attorney' route?

NO it is not about equality. It is about people wanting other people to accept their lifestyles and their beliefs, and give them what they want.

We are not all equal. You have your beliefs and I have mine. We DON'T have to agree with each other.

I want America to accept that a fetus is a BABY. Is that ever going to happen? NO, it won't. So guess what I have to live with that. You can't make people accept anything that they don't believe in.

I believe that a marriage is between a man and a woman. Regardless of religion, or what anyone else has to say. And that is my RIGHT. I don't have to agree with you on anything nor do you have to agree with me.

You and I will never see eye to eye on this. period!

So you can go out and march the streets all you want to and want people to accept this. Go ahead.

But not all Americans are going to see eye to eye on every issue.

And I find it funny how Liberals will fight for these issues, but they don't fight for babies......

[uppy]

A) God passed the words to man ,and His Kid had some thing to do with it

when he was around.

B) Some people in New England think Brady is His son.

[pmoon6]

NO it is not about equality. It is about people wanting other people to accept their lifestyles and their beliefs, and give them what they want.

We are not all equal. You have your beliefs and I have mine. We DON'T have to agree with each other.

I want America to accept that a fetus is a BABY. Is that ever going to happen? NO, it won't. So guess what I have to live with that. You can't make people accept anything that they don't believe in.

I believe that a marriage is between a man and a woman. Regardless of religion, or what anyone else has to say. And that is my RIGHT. I don't have to agree with you on anything nor do you have to agree with me.

You and I will never see eye to eye on this. period!

So you can go out and march the streets all you want to and want people to accept this. Go ahead.

But not all Americans are going to see eye to eye on every issue.

And I find it funny how Liberals will fight for these issues, but they don't fight for babies......I'm not a liberal, but to say that all men are not created equal would be to spit on your country, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

That is the only reason this country was formed. To escape the class system and the tyranny of the British monarchy.

The hypocracy of the colonial government was that they santioned slavery. That was a mistake and not consistent with the tenants of their constitution and their creed.

[chickie]

I'm not a liberal, but to say that all men are not created equal would be to spit on your country, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

That is the only reason this country was formed. To escape the class system and the tyranny of the British monarchy.

The hypocracy of the colonial government was that they santioned slavery. That was a mistake and not consistent with the tenants of their constitution and their creed.

No - now your are putting a twist on my words.

Yes we were all CREATED equal, but our lifestyles are not equal.

We all have different beliefs which makes us not equals.

We are all entitled to believing in what ever we want to believe, but no one man should force another man to believe in something that they don't believe in.

LIke I said I believe that a fetus is a baby, and we should protect that babies life. We don't - sometimes we just have to accept the way life is. No one ever said you were always going to get your way in life.

[uppy]

I'm not a liberal, but to say that all men are not created equal would be to spit on your country, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.


God created Man....smith and westin made them equal

[ICRockets]

No - now your are putting a twist on my words.

Yes we were all CREATED equal, but our lifestyles are not equal.

We all have different beliefs which makes us not equals.

We are all entitled to believing in what ever we want to believe, but no one man should force another man to believe in something that they don't believe in.

LIke I said I believe that a fetus is a baby, and we should protect that babies life. We don't - sometimes we just have to accept the way life is. No one ever said you were always going to get your way in life.

Well, seeing as homosexuality is not a chosen trait, but is in your DNA, it is how God- or whoever- CREATED you. Thus, you just contradicted your own beliefs.

[uppy]

Well, seeing as homosexuality is not a chosen trait, but is in your DNA,

LMAO

Gay DNA


Link IC ??

[chickie]

Well, seeing as homosexuality is not a chosen trait, but is in your DNA, it is how God- or whoever- CREATED you. Thus, you just contradicted your own beliefs.

This has now reached the end. This is becoming quite comical.

:n4clapping:

[chickie]

Well, seeing as homosexuality is not a chosen trait, but is in your DNA, it is how God- or whoever- CREATED you. Thus, you just contradicted your own beliefs.

WHy don't you go ahead and give me another neg rep since I don't believe in your beliefs.

[deconstruction]

Bark twice for Bush.

Probably the only way he could win an election right now . . .

[deconstruction]

No - now your are putting a twist on my words.

Yes we were all CREATED equal, but our lifestyles are not equal.

We all have different beliefs which makes us not equals.

We are all entitled to believing in what ever we want to believe, but no one man should force another man to believe in something that they don't believe in.

LIke I said I believe that a fetus is a baby, and we should protect that babies life. We don't - sometimes we just have to accept the way life is. No one ever said you were always going to get your way in life.

I'm sorry Chick, but imo it doesn't feel like you're thinking for yourself here. This seems very pro forma to me.

[chickie]

I'm sorry Chick, but imo it doesn't feel like you're thinking for yourself here. This seems very pro forma to me.

Decon - I like you.

I believe a marriage is between a man and a woman.

Sorry.

:bigasskiss:

[pmoon6]

No - now your are putting a twist on my words.

Yes we were all CREATED equal, but our lifestyles are not equal.

We all have different beliefs which makes us not equals.

We are all entitled to believing in what ever we want to believe, but no one man should force another man to believe in something that they don't believe in.

LIke I said I believe that a fetus is a baby, and we should protect that babies life. We don't - sometimes we just have to accept the way life is. No one ever said you were always going to get your way in life.And who are you to judge? Who decides who is superior and who is inferior? Are you God?

That is probably the most astute thing I've read from you. However, I don't understand how you can force a belief on someone that refuses to believe.

Unless you use a rack or an iron maiden.

[uppy]

posted by pmoon6

That is probably the most astute thing I've read from you. However, I don't understand how you can force a belief on someone that refuses to believe.

posted by Gopchick

no one man should force another man to believe in something that they don't believe in


I don't understand your point pmoon ?

[uppy]

BTW.....all men are NOT equal what we do in our lives makes that a fact.

[ICRockets]

LMAO

Gay DNA


Link IC ??

This has now reached the end. This is becoming quite comical.

:n4clapping:

http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20050028000623data_trunc_sys.shtml

http://allpsych.com/journal/homosexuality.html

And even Pete has spoken up on this topic in the past (uppy, I believe it was the '2 mommies book' thread) and can back me up on this one.

So unless you two have more dogmatic crap to peddle about how unnatural the gay lifestyle is, pipe down and stick to issues you actually know jackshit about.

[JLB]

Pmoon..I think is says some place in the Bible about men not laying with men.

BTW...some say Bellichick is god

Uppy you had to plug your team huh? LMAO!!

[uppy]

http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20050028000623data_trunc_sys.shtml

http://allpsych.com/journal/homosexuality.html

And even Pete has spoken up on this topic in the past (uppy, I believe it was the '2 mommies book' thread) and can back me up on this one.

So unless you two have more dogmatic crap to peddle about how unnatural the gay lifestyle is, pipe down and stick to issues you actually know jackshit about.


There is no one 'gay' gene," said Mustanski.

[uppy]

Uppy you had to plug your team huh? LMAO!!

I'm shameless

[ICRockets]

There is no one 'gay' gene," said Mustanski.

No one, he said. He didn't say 'there is no gay gene'. There are several, in one of the articles they cite at least 3 sets of chromosomes where a "gay gene" can appear, on either the X or Y chromosome.

[JLB]

I'm shameless

Can't blame you!

[Mouldsie]

marriage is a contract

[chickie]

I'm shameless

You like Garth Brooks do ya?

[uppy]

You like Garth Brooks do ya?

Is Garth a woman ?

[JLB]

Is Garth a woman ?

LMAO!!