OSU 42- Michigan 39...RE-MATCH?

[Scary Good]

Should they have a re-match for the National Championship?

Or should another team get a shot?

[JLB]

It would be a great game!!!!!!

[TheAnswer74]

If USC and Florida lose, there should a rematch, but otherwise, no. This was the National Championship. There isnt another team in college football that can match up physically with these two teams, and even with the physical players they both have big play guys.

Michigan is a dumb personal foul away from winning that game IMO.

I will take the rematch, but right now Im just upset.

[JLB]

The penalties late in the game drive you nuts.
That holding call was huge also.

[Scary Good]

Yep, questionable calls.

[TheAnswer74]

The penalties late in the game drive you nuts.
That holding call was huge also.

I have no problem with the calls, just the stupidity of the personal foul.

3rd and 15, Smith is going out of bounds atmost for a 2 yard loss, WHY EVEN TOUCH HIM!!

Why is it that only the teams I cheer for do stupid things.

[emo]

i voted no, and I'm sorry, but texas is as good as michigan. easily. I understadn that texas is a 2 loss team but they lost to ksu with jevan snead piece of crap qb.

if there is a rematch then you still have no clear cut national champion. do they do a best out of three?

[emo]

I didn't realize that michigan fans were such whiners, how about not giving up 108 yards rushing and 2 tds on two plays?

[TheAnswer74]

I didn't realize that michigan fans were such whiners, how about not giving up 108 yards rushing and 2 tds on two plays?

Whiners? Who?

All I see is someone making excuses for Texas, who got physically man handled by OSU @ home.

[emo]

no whining, but dont' fool yourself into thinking that michigan is very physical. they gave up over 150 yards rushing to the bucks, texas gave up about 80.

and you clearly didn't watch that texas osu game as texas wasn't manhandled, they ran for close to 200 yards and outgained the bucks, colt mccoy's first start mistakes and turnovers cost them the game, they were not manhandled.

[mighty peace warrior]

i dont think it could match the intensity of todays game

[CoachC.]

i voted no, and I'm sorry, but texas is as good as michigan. easily. I understadn that texas is a 2 loss team but they lost to ksu with jevan snead piece of crap qb.

if there is a rematch then you still have no clear cut national champion. do they do a best out of three?

Having to play with backups when starters go down is part of the game, QB or any other position included. If they're one of the best teams in the country, they need to overcome that and beat K-State. They didn't.

I could make the same argument about Adrian Peterson being out for Oklahoma......or Arkansas losing their QB when they played USC. The W-L columns don't have asterisks for injuries.

Deal with it.

[CoachC.]

As far as the question, I was totally against it before the game, but now I say it depends.

I still believe Rutgers deserves a shot in the title game if they run the table.

There would be only two undefeated teams from BCS conferences. Isn't that the way it's supposed to work?

If everyone has one loss - it depends on how USC looks in their final games. If they blow everyone away convincingly, they deserve it. If not, I'd really have to look at Michigan vs. the SEC champ for the right to go to the title game.

[Merk]

I voted no but I think it really depends on how the rest of the season plays out.


As others have stated if Florida/USC stays w/ just 1 loss than I think one of them should go

[TheAnswer74]

I voted no but I think it really depends on how the rest of the season plays out.


As others have stated if Florida/USC stays w/ just 1 loss than I think one of them should go

Yeah, If USC beats Cal and ND, there is no question in my mind they deserve a shot. If Florida wins the SEC championship, they deserve a shot.

Michigan had their shot, but deserve another if those teams lose.

[emo]

Yeah, If USC beats Cal and ND, there is no question in my mind they deserve a shot. If Florida wins the SEC championship, they deserve a shot.

Michigan had their shot, but deserve another if those teams lose.

its really hard for me to give the nod to florida, they are a very flawed one loss team, their offense is horrid, though their defense is pretty good, but hwo good are they?..they refuse to play anyone

[emo]

As far as the question, I was totally against it before the game, but now I say it depends.

I still believe Rutgers deserves a shot in the title game if they run the table.

There would be only two undefeated teams from BCS conferences. Isn't that the way it's supposed to work?

If everyone has one loss - it depends on how USC looks in their final games. If they blow everyone away convincingly, they deserve it. If not, I'd really have to look at Michigan vs. the SEC champ for the right to go to the title game.
rutgers is losing 20-3 at the half to cincy very impressive

[Gibby]

By far the best college football game I have seen in a long time. IT would be a sin to not have a rematch for the national championship

[ckg68]

Right now,I'll say no. This game took so much out of OSU and Michigan that I fear what would happen if they DID have a rematch.

Coach: Even if Rutgers runs the table,I still think they're going to get jammed out of the BCS bowls. As would,likely,Boise State. Why? Not "sexy" enough for the big games.

[Carl J. Ironsides]

No way in hell. If USC wins out, they deserve to be there.

[emo]

arkansas if they win the sec do they get a shot?, usc would have to lose, becaus eyou can't put arkansas in front of usc

[CoachC.]

rutgers is losing 20-3 at the half to cincy very impressive


And if they lose, they don't deserve to be in the discussion, obviously.

[emo]

Right now,I'll say no. This game took so much out of OSU and Michigan that I fear what would happen if they DID have a rematch.

Coach: Even if Rutgers runs the table,I still think they're going to get jammed out of the BCS bowls. As would,likely,Boise State. Why? Not "sexy" enough for the big games.

that can't happen.

big east champ gets a bcs birth, and non bcs needs to be top 12 in teh bcs and boise state is 12th

[CoachC.]

becaus eyou can't put arkansas in front of usc

You shouldn't. But it doesn't always work that way.

Cal was in front of Tennessee even though they got hammered by them.

[emo]

what a god damned joke the big east is, rutgers is getting blown out

[emo]

And if they lose, they don't deserve to be in the discussion, obviously.

they didn't in the first place.

[ckg68]

that can't happen.

big east champ gets a bcs birth, and non bcs needs to be top 12 in teh bcs and boise state is 12th

What I'm saying is this: They won't get the top game. Period.

And based on how they're playing right now,any national championship dreams they had can go bye bye.

[CoachC.]

they didn't in the first place.

Texas proved last week they didn't deserve to be, either.

[emo]

What I'm saying is this: They won't get the top game. Period.

And based on how they're playing right now,any national championship dreams they had can go bye bye.

do you honestly think a team like rutgers, luisville of wvu should?

[emo]

Texas proved last week they didn't deserve to be, either.

sure, but texas with two losses plays rutegers and I bet they blow them out of teh water, I'd bet the same for any big east school, though maybe the big east champ will get lucky and get to play boise state

[emo]

I'm nto trying to be a dick, but aside from the simple fact that the big east is a bcs conference, what would you point to if rutgers wins and goes undefeated to say that rutgers should play for a championship?

[TheAnswer74]

sure, but texas with two losses plays rutegers and I bet they blow them out of teh water, I'd bet the same for any big east school, though maybe the big east champ will get lucky and get to play boise state

I think West Viginia will score some points in any BCS game. Slaton and White are dangerous, but they have no defense.

[CoachC.]

sure, but texas with two losses plays rutegers and I bet they blow them out of teh water, I'd bet the same for any big east school, though maybe the big east champ will get lucky and get to play boise state

So, Rutgers or Louisville couldn't beat Kansas State?

[TheAnswer74]

There is no question who the best 2 teams in country are though.

[emo]

So, Rutgers or Louisville couldn't beat Kansas State?

come on you know better than that, they might be able to they might not.

[CoachC.]

I'm nto trying to be a dick

No. You're just biased and uninformed.

but aside from the simple fact that the big east is a bcs conference, what would you point to if rutgers wins and goes undefeated to say that rutgers should play for a championship

Because the "who did they play" argument is ridiculous and always has been - no matter who you are talking about. Two reasons:

1. Teams can't control who's on their schedules. They are done years in advance. All they can do is play the teams on their schedules, and you can't penalize them when they beat every one of those teams.

2. The law of syllogism cannot be used in sports ("A beat B by a lot; B beat C by a lot, therefore A MUST be able to beat C by a ton")! Sports are about MATCHUPS! Some teams match up beter with other teams than a differnet team would. So, the bottom line is, unless they play, no one truly knows who would win.

[Mouldsie]

it would be a great game


but


michigan already lost to OSU, give someone else a shot.

[Mouldsie]

btw that team should be Boise State! WOOO!

[CoachC.]

come on you know better than that, they might be able to they might not.

Not "they might." THEY DID!

Nov. 11
Kansas State 45
Texas 42

Sep. 23
Louisville 24
Kansas State 6

Oh, yeah, I forgot, Texas was without Super-Frosh Colt McCoy.

Well, Louisville was without Michael Bush AND Brian Brohm.

So what does this tell us???? That the top teams in the Big East are much better than you give them credit for!!

But refer to my last post. I will never make an argument for who is better than who based on comparative scores. I only bring this all up to show you that it's not nearly the way you believe it to be.

[emo]

so you think lousiville would beat texas?

[emo]

here is how I believe it to be, its opinion, my opinion is that the top teams in the big east don't beat the top teams in the power conferences. they might, but who knows?

the only thing I'm positive about is this, osu would wax wvu, lousiville and rutgers, as a buckeye fan I would love to see rutgers gethe their chance at the title

[emo]

and my opinon is that texas would beat them silly too....but the bcs bowl will prove me right or wrong.

[emo]

her eis a question do you think teams within their conferences play each harder than out of conference?

[CoachC.]

here is how I believe it to be, its opinion, my opinion is that the top teams in the big east don't beat the top teams in the power conferences. they might, but who knows?

the only thing I'm positive about is this, osu would wax wvu, lousiville and rutgers, as a buckeye fan I would love to see rutgers gethe their chance at the title

What's a power conference?

[CoachC.]

her eis a question do you think teams within their conferences play each harder than out of conference?

Some teams play good one week, bad the next. Hard one week, not so hard the next. It's just human nature. It has nothing to do with whether or not they are playing a conference game.

Obviously, big-time rivalry games are different.

More intense usually means playing harder.

[dilbert]

imo, the two best teams in the nation are USO and Michigan with USC a close 3rd. If USC loses to Notre Dame, then Michigan deserves the re-match. Afterall the national title game is supposed to be the two best teams.

[emo]

Some teams play good one week, bad the next. Hard one week, not so hard the next. It's just human nature. It has nothing to do with whether or not they are playing a conference game.

Obviously, big-time rivalry games are different.

More intense usually means playing harder.

I'm more interested to see who plays who

[Scary Good]

imo, the two best teams in the nation are USO and Michigan with USC a close 3rd. If USC loses to Notre Dame, then Michigan deserves the re-match. Afterall the national title game is supposed to be the two best teams.

I agree.

UM lost to #1 OSU

USC lost to an UNRANKED team...big difference

Notre Dame lost to Michigan

I bet UM comes out #2 by a small margin tomorrow in the BCS!

[TRIPLE P]

No...because anyone who watched the game knows it shouldn't have been as close as the score...... if our veteren center doesn't decide to play the worst game of his career we win by AT LEAST two TD's.......

The only thing that could stop the Ohio State offense was themselves, with the two bad snaps and Ginn dropping a few easy catches.....

Michigans D couldn't cover everything with a QB like Smith running the show, just like I predicted.....

Henne didn't implode from the the loudest crowd I've personally ever heard... I was shocked.

Mike Hart is sweet....but he's also a little bitch concerning his postgame sour grapes.......

Mike Hart saying they'ed win a rematch? What the hell does Mike Hart know about beating Ohio State? Not much.

a bullshit pass interference call, and now we have to hear rematch talk......its so lame......

Let somebody else have a shot at the best.... not that its gonna matter.

[Mouldsie]

that was not bs pass interference, it's called faceguarding

[twosheds]

2. The law of syllogism cannot be used in sports ("A beat B by a lot; B beat C by a lot, therefore A MUST be able to beat C by a ton")!

Nice, Coach, did you study logics? :)

Here's a link for you, the victory chain linker:

http://cfbanalyzer.com/

and why Buffalo is better than USC

Buffalo beat
Kent St who beat
Toledo who beat
Kansas who beat
Kansas St who beat
Texas who beat
Oklahoma who beat
Washington who beat
UCLA who beat
Oregon St who beat
Southern Cal

Link (http://www.cfbanalyzer.com/cgi-bin/chain.cgi?mode=chain&teams1=Buffalo&teams2=Southern+Cal&year=2006)

[twosheds]

On the subject, (almost) everyone was okay with Texas getting a rematch against Ohio State should they win out (which they didn't). But with Michigan, a lot of people are against it. Why?

a) most people don't want a championship with two teams from a single conference
b) Ohio State and Michigan played against each other late in the season. And that's my problem with these polls. Too much emphasis on the last game.

[mighty peace warrior]

that was not bs pass interference, it's called faceguarding

his hands were no where near his face. he should have turned around for the ball though, i wasnt suprised by the call.

[Scary Good]

No...because anyone who watched the game knows it shouldn't have been as close as the score...... if our veteren center doesn't decide to play the worst game of his career we win by AT LEAST two TD's.......

The only thing that could stop the Ohio State offense was themselves, with the two bad snaps and Ginn dropping a few easy catches.....

Michigans D couldn't cover everything with a QB like Smith running the show, just like I predicted.....

Henne didn't implode from the the loudest crowd I've personally ever heard... I was shocked.

Mike Hart is sweet....but he's also a little bitch concerning his postgame sour grapes.......

Mike Hart saying they'ed win a rematch? What the hell does Mike Hart know about beating Ohio State? Not much.

a bullshit pass interference call, and now we have to hear rematch talk......its so lame......

Let somebody else have a shot at the best.... not that its gonna matter.



Wow...you sure cry like a girl after winning. Sounds like you're not pumped for a possible re-match.

[TheAnswer74]

WXP, your a little punk for complaining about that pass interference. Manningham makes that catch easily if the CB didnt interfere with him.

To even say that when Michigan gave Ohio State a 1st down on 3rd and 15 because of a roughing call. It was deserving, but Crable should have been under more control. It was a stupid play by him.

At that point, Michigan has the football, trailing 35-31 with 6 minutes left in the game.

[CoachC.]

Nice, Coach, did you study logics? :)

No way.

I hate anything dealing with math classes ("logic" is math, right?). I can deal with sports numbers all day better than almost anyone, but that "real" math stuff is totally foreign to me.

I'm just smart and know big words. :)

[twosheds]

I'm just smart and know big words. :)

You didn't get it quite right, though. It's the law of transitivity. ;)

transitivity: ((A implies B) and (B implies C)) implies (A implies C)
syllogism: (B implies C) implies ((A implies B) implies (A implies C))

(they're closely related)

[CoachC.]

You didn't get it quite right, though. It's the law of transitivity. ;)

transitivity: ((A implies B) and (B implies C)) implies (A implies C)
syllogism: (B implies C) implies ((A implies B) implies (A implies C))

(they're closely related)

Damn.

Well, it sounded good.

And I don't think emo knew the difference. :)

[TRIPLE P]

Wow...you sure cry like a girl after winning. Sounds like you're not pumped for a possible re-match.

If this Michigan team really wants to lose to the Buckeyes twice in one year then thats fine. But I think its lame to play a team you just beat again... they don't deserve it.

WXP, your a little punk for complaining about that pass interference. Manningham makes that catch easily if the CB didnt interfere with him.

To even say that when Michigan gave Ohio State a 1st down on 3rd and 15 because of a roughing call. It was deserving, but Crable should have been under more control. It was a stupid play by him.

At that point, Michigan has the football, trailing 35-31 with 6 minutes left in the game.

Or, it might have hit him in the hands again and he might have dropped it.

Ohio State was gonna win this game regardless of pass interference, roughing, etc..... Michigans D can't stop the buckeyes......

[TheAnswer74]

If this Michigan team really wants to lose to the Buckeyes twice in one year then thats fine. But I think its lame to play a team you just beat again... they don't deserve it.



Or, it might have hit him in the hands again and he might have dropped it.

Ohio State was gonna win this game regardless of pass interference, roughing, etc..... Michigans D can't stop the buckeyes......

Either can Ohio States D. I dont think Ohio State breaks those runs in a rematch, just my opinion.

Lets not forget, Henne over threw Manningham for a touchdown on the 2nd drive. The Wolverines had to punt. When Troy Smith over threw Ginn JR on the 1st driv, OHio State still converted a 3rd and 16 and then scored a TD. I doubt Henne misses Manningham again, if he hits him there its 14-7 michigan and who knows what happens.

I cant believe your not giving Michigan credit. This game was very close except Ohio State made 3 big plays on offense, and Michigan's offense missed on theirs, still only lost by 3.

[TRIPLE P]

I cant believe your not giving Michigan credit. This game was very close except Ohio State made 3 big plays on offense, and Michigan's offense missed on theirs, still only lost by 3.

We gave you ten points, and another turnover...... thats probably AT LEAST a 17 pt swing.

Sorry.... the game wasn't close.

503 yards to 389 yards.

6/11 3rd downs to 4/13 3rd downs.

70% completions to 60% completions

6.4 YPC to 4.3 YPC

Ohio State had 13 possesions.... 6TD's, 3 punts, 1 kneel down, 3 turnovers (2 of which were completely unforced and were complete luck, also bth were inside our 30)

Michigan had 13 possesions.....5 TD's 1 FG ( 1TD and FG on "drives" of 8 and 3 yards...gifts you should have never gotten, and didn't earn) 5 punts and a turnover on downs.

Michigan was owned up and down the field.... the game should never and would never be that close if it were played 10 times in mihcigan, ohio or a neutral site......

Like I said multiple times leading up... you won't stop Smith, you can't cover our weapons, and Henne just isn't that good.

Well.... you didn't stop Smith, you couldn't cover our weapons, and Henne crapped the bed more than once.

And after listening to Harts bullshit in full...... I hope to god we play his punk ass again..... that little bitch gets NO respect.... and I hope he comes back next year too.... I want Mike Harts bitch ass to be the first starting tailback to lose to Ohio state 5 times..... and he's more than half-way there.

[TheAnswer74]

We gave you ten points, and another turnover...... thats probably AT LEAST a 17 pt swing.

Sorry.... the game wasn't close.

503 yards to 389 yards.

6/11 3rd downs to 4/13 3rd downs.

70% completions to 60% completions

6.4 YPC to 4.3 YPC

Ohio State had 13 possesions.... 6TD's, 3 punts, 1 kneel down, 3 turnovers (2 of which were completely unforced and were complete luck, also bth were inside our 30)

Michigan had 13 possesions.....5 TD's 1 FG ( 1TD and FG on "drives" of 8 and 3 yards...gifts you should have never gotten, and didn't earn) 5 punts and a turnover on downs.

Michigan was owned up and down the field.... the game should never and would never be that close if it were played 10 times in mihcigan, ohio or a neutral site......

Like I said multiple times leading up... you won't stop Smith, you can't cover our weapons, and Henne just isn't that good.

Well.... you didn't stop Smith, you couldn't cover our weapons, and Henne crapped the bed more than once.

And after listening to Harts bullshit in full...... I hope to god we play his punk ass again..... that little bitch gets NO respect.... and I hope he comes back next year too.... I want Mike Harts bitch ass to be the first starting tailback to lose to Ohio state 5 times..... and he's more than half-way there.

Troy Smith is the one that turned the football over.

Your crying this much and you won, what a friggin baby.

[TRIPLE P]

Troy Smith is the one that turned the football over.

Your crying this much and you won, what a friggin baby.

One snap was over his head... another was a dribbler that never made it to him... the one that was "forced" or "earned" was a bad decision followed by a lucky bounce......

But at the end of the day, it didn't even matter.

I've changed my mind BTW.... bring on Michigan again so they can get the beating they deserved.

Better yet, we'll play USC on Christmas eve, Florida on January 1st, and Michigan on the 8th....we'll **** all of them up, and then everyone can STFU.....


Who's crying....I'm completely fired up right now..... the ONLY won crying is Mike Hart....but thats what bitches do...cry.

[emo]

One snap was over his head... another was a dribbler that never made it to him... the one that was "forced" or "earned" was a bad decision followed by a lucky bounce......

But at the end of the day, it didn't even matter.

I've changed my mind BTW.... bring on Michigan again so they can get the beating they deserved.

Better yet, we'll play USC on Christmas eve, Florida on January 1st, and Michigan on the 8th....we'll **** all of them up, and then everyone can STFU.....


Who's crying....I'm completely fired up right now..... the ONLY won crying is Mike Hart....but thats what bitches do...cry.

word, only michigan homers think michigan would win a second go round

from edsbs.com, gator homers
Your absurdity in quintuplicate:

USC/Ohio State. USC has one loss to a mediocre Oregon State team, a loss which put them out of national title contention in the minds of anyone with half an iota of reason in their souls.

Notre Dame/Ohio State. The team who was beaten dizzy by Michigan will play the team that just beat Michigan and who strutted through their bowl game last year by beating…Notre Dame, the team we started out talking about in this very elliptical sentence. If this makes sense to you, you are on peyote, and it is working.

Florida/Ohio State. Murder. Simple murder. No one wants to see this, unless they take joy from the details of killing as told by the killer. Which no one likes, right?

Arkansas/Ohio State. Another profoundly silly scenario, since you bump a team that simply molested Arkansas in a game earlier this season.

Michigan/Ohio State. A rematch! The people’s choice! Drama! Jer-ry! Jer-ry! Jer-ry! Except the Michigan/OSU game was in retrospect not even that close, with a pair of gift-wrapped turnovers keeping Michigan in the game. Even with those TOs, only a last minute TD and 2 point conversion turned it into the +3 win you would expect by the home team in an even matchup. It’s not a blowout, but OSU’s been the consistently superior team between the two for the past five years. Nothing changes in a rematch.

[Scary Good]

Not even that close? 42-39

Michigan kept coming back.

Anyone who watched knows it was a close game.

[TRIPLE P]

Not even that close? 42-39

Michigan kept coming back.

Anyone who watched knows it was a close game.

Anyone who was a Michigan fan.... Ohio State gave them 10 points...gave it to them.... they moved the ball 11 yards on there drives that resulted in 10 points......

The score should have been 49-24 Ohio State....and when USC chokes and we play a rematch it will probably be worse than that.

[Scary Good]

Anyone who was a Michigan fan.... Ohio State gave them 10 points...gave it to them.... they moved the ball 11 yards on there drives that resulted in 10 points......

The score should have been 49-24 Ohio State....and when USC chokes and we play a rematch it will probably be worse than that.

We gave you that free 15 yards and an automatic first.

IF IF IF IF IF IF


blah blah blah

[TRIPLE P]

We gave you that free 15 yards and an automatic first.

IF IF IF IF IF IF


blah blah blah

We didn't need it.

Look, there is no doubt in anyones minds except Mike Hart and Michigan fans who the better team was.......

The game wasn't as close as the score......and EVEN IF you took a 4th quarter lead somehow was there any question that Troy Smith would have lead a comeback?

Is michigan a great team....sure. Hart is very talented, the d is one of the best around.

But like i said from the get-go this year....nobody can hang with the Troy Smith and the ohio state offense......nobody.

[Scary Good]

Thats incredible.

No national media seem to think the game was far apart.

I seem to think if it wasn't that close, Um wouldn't still be number two.


Troy Smith is not God.

[CoachC.]

In one of the strangest stories I've ever heard, the winning numbers in the Ohio Lottery - drawn about a half hour after the game had ended - were 4-2-3-9 (the score of the game was 42-39).

There were 898 tickets sold with those numbers, and it is estimated that 98% of them were places after 7pm. The game ended at 7:13pm.

Truly bizarre.

[JLB]

I for one hope they get to go at each other again.

[mighty peace warrior]

Thats incredible.

No national media seem to think the game was far apart.

I seem to think if it wasn't that close, Um wouldn't still be number two.


Troy Smith is not God.

it doesnt really matter what the media thinks, Michigan lost.

Troy Smith may not be God, but he is Michigan's daddy

3-0 vs Michigan

[Scary Good]

Ok, still nothing leading to Michigan being #3 though!

[twosheds]

The National Championship Game is supposed to be played between the two best teams in the nation.

I just don't see USC, Florida, Arkansas or Notre Dame as stronger as Michigan.

[emo]

if usc found its running game which it looks like they did last week versus cal they to me are the second best team in the nation

[TheAnswer74]

if usc found its running game which it looks like they did last week versus cal they to me are the second best team in the nation

And why is beating 3 loss California at home that impressive?

IF USC wins out, they deserve the chance, but Michigan lost by 3 @ Ohio State, I dont care what anyone says, their the only team who's 1 loss came to the #1 ranked team on the road, and they only lost by 3.

Scoring 39 points against the #1 team in nation, in their house, when they only give up 9 points a game tells me Michigan is the most deserving 1 loss team.

[TRIPLE P]

Michigan is the most deserving 1 loss team.

Michigan doesn't "deserve" anything...after all, they were supposed to DESTROY Ohio State..... we weren't supposed to match there level of physicalness, and Troy Smith life was supposed to be miserable......

If Michigan gets a rematch it will be by default..... and it won't be pretty. If you give Jim Tressel a month to concentrate on playing a Lloyd Carr team, it will be scary for the maize and blue......

And when you get punched in the mouth, again, you can thank Mike Hart for firing up the best team in college football.

[emo]

Michigan doesn't "deserve" anything...after all, they were supposed to DESTROY Ohio State..... we weren't supposed to match there level of physicalness, and Troy Smith life was supposed to be miserable......

If Michigan gets a rematch it will be by default..... and it won't be pretty. If you give Jim Tressel a month to concentrate on playing a Lloyd Carr team, it will be scary for the maize and blue......

And when you get punched in the mouth, again, you can thank Mike Hart for firing up the best team in college football.

I just dont' get teh michigan fan, yes you lost by 3 but do you honestly think it was that close? its the same thing you heard from ND fans last, well you only beat us by 14, right right.

It was said before and I'll say it again you shouldn't get a chance to play for the national title if you can't win your conference.

but if that's what they do then fine, bring michigan on again I guarantee the score will be moer indicative of how outplayed and outcoached michigan is

I don't care if they bring fla, usc, arkansas, or michigan osu will beat them too.

so I'm done arguing for whoever to play osu, just pick the team that will lose to the buckeyes already

[TRIPLE P]

I don't care if they bring fla, usc, arkansas, or michigan osu will beat them too.

so I'm done arguing for whoever to play osu, just pick the team that will lose to the buckeyes already

Exactly.... like I said before.... lets play all 3, Michigan, USC, and Florida....12/24, 1/1, and 1/8.....

we'd be favored by 10 points in each game, and we'd cover.

[TheAnswer74]

I just dont' get teh michigan fan, yes you lost by 3 but do you honestly think it was that close? its the same thing you heard from ND fans last, well you only beat us by 14, right right.

It was said before and I'll say it again you shouldn't get a chance to play for the national title if you can't win your conference.

but if that's what they do then fine, bring michigan on again I guarantee the score will be moer indicative of how outplayed and outcoached michigan is

I don't care if they bring fla, usc, arkansas, or michigan osu will beat them too.

so I'm done arguing for whoever to play osu, just pick the team that will lose to the buckeyes already


Yeah, it was that close because it was 4th and 15, Ohio State was punting to Michigan only up 35-31 with 6 minutes left.

We had a personal foul penalty that gave Ohio State a 1st down.

Let me say it again, 35-31, Ohio State just threw an incomplete pass and was going to punt on 4th and 15 with 6 minutes left, Michigan had a late hit.

[TRIPLE P]

Yeah, it was that close because it was 4th and 15, Ohio State was punting to Michigan only up 35-31 with 6 minutes left.

We had a personal foul penalty that gave Ohio State a 1st down.

Let me say it again, 35-31, Ohio State just threw an incomplete pass and was going to punt on 4th and 15 with 6 minutes left, Michigan had a late hit.

Nobody claimed the game wasn't close regarding the score......

The play on the field wasn't close.......

It is clear that Michigan was overmatched.

Do you honestly think UM would win the turnover margin 3-0 again....especially when 2 turnovers were completly unforced?

Again....look at the drive charts, yardage, 3rd down efficiancy, etc.......

[TheAnswer74]

Nobody claimed the game wasn't close regarding the score......

The play on the field wasn't close.......

It is clear that Michigan was overmatched.

Do you honestly think UM would win the turnover margin 3-0 again....especially when 2 turnovers were completly unforced?

Again....look at the drive charts, yardage, 3rd down efficiancy, etc.......

DO you honestly think Henne would miss Manningham 10 yards open for a TD again?

DO you honestly think Crable would miss a tackle in the backfield which lead to Wells TD run?

DO you honestly think Crable would rough the passer again on 3rd and 15 giving Ohio State a 1st down.

MICHIGAN HAD 413 YARDS!!! Both defense were overmatched. Add in the 64 yard TD that should have been completed on the 2nd drive and who knows what happens.

They were not dominated. They gave up some big plays.

[TRIPLE P]

DO you honestly think Henne would miss Manningham 10 yards open again?

DO you honestly think Crable would miss a tackle in the backfield which lead to Wells TD run?

SO you honestly think Crable would rough the passer again on 3rd and 15 giving Ohio State a 1st down.

MICHIGAN HAD 413 YARDS!!! Both defense were overmatched. Add in the 64 yard TD that should have been completed on the 2nd drive and who knows what happens.

They were not dominated. They gave up some big plays.

They gave up big plays...and they would again....... we could do whatever we wanted against your......3 punts dude.....3. and 2 BS turnovers that don't happen in 100 rematches.......

Sorry... you can make all the cases you want... but it was obvious that Michigan was overmatched at the end of the first half...... THE ONLY THING that kept you in the game was two mental errors by our center.


Dominated. My opinion. You got beat by a team that would beat you 10 times out of ten.... if you couldn't win with THE GIFTS we gave you... you never would.

[TheAnswer74]

They gave up big plays...and they would again....... we could do whatever we wanted against your......3 punts dude.....3. and 2 BS turnovers that don't happen in 100 rematches.......

Sorry... you can make all the cases you want... but it was obvious that Michigan was overmatched at the end of the first half...... THE ONLY THING that kept you in the game was two mental errors by our center.


Dominated. My opinion. You got beat by a team that would beat you 10 times out of ten.... if you couldn't win with THE GIFTS we gave you... you never would.

You can keep going on and on.

42-39 on the road does not say dominated.

413 yards does not say dominated.

35-31 with ohio State punting and 6 minutes left does not say dominated.

WXP says dominated. I could care less what WXP says.

I saw the game, Ohio State couldnt stop Michigan and Michigan couldnt stop Ohio State.

Without the turnovers, who knows, Michigan might have 500 yards total offense or Ohio State scores more, who knows. WHY? because the turnovers happened.

[TRIPLE P]

BTW...I'm done talking about this game...... it was a blast and now its done.....

I'm gonna sit back and relax....and let the drama unfold.

Why? Because I couldn't care less who we play.

If we get to stomp Florida then we get to shut up the people with boners for the SEC.....

If we get to stomp USC, great. Classic matchup, I hate Pete Carroll, I hate the trojans, and I could make condom jokes for the week leading up to the game.....

If we get to play Notre Dame......?.....we ain't playing ND.

IF its UM....good. Mike Hart, Lloyd Cooper and Henne get another loss......The Buckeyes get another pair of gold pants, and Tressel gets another W against blue.

[TRIPLE P]

You can keep going on and on.

42-39 on the road does not say dominated.

413 yards does not say dominated.

35-31 with ohio State punting and 6 minutes left does not say dominated.

WXP says dominated. I could care less what WXP says.

I saw the game, Ohio State couldnt stop Michigan and Michigan couldnt stop Ohio State.

Without the turnovers, who knows, Michigan might have 500 yards total offense or Ohio State scores more, who knows. WHY? because the turnovers happened.


How can you say we could stop you when we stopped you twice as many times as you stopped us?

You know what...forget it. Enjoy your sig...and if we play again you can tell everyone how big and bad the Michigan D is, and how physical they are....and then they'll get another 6TD's and 500yards hung on them.

[TheAnswer74]

How can you say we could stop you when we stopped you twice as many times as you stopped us?

You know what...forget it. Enjoy your sig...and if we play again you can tell everyone how big and bad the Michigan D is, and how physical they are....and then they'll get another 6TD's and 500yards hung on them.

BS.

Ohio State 12 possessions, 6 TD's

Michigan 12 possessions, 5 TD's and 1 FG

[nyjunc]

Saturday's score was close but it after OSU scored to tie it at 7 they controlled the rest of the game. They had a double digit lead most of the game and Mich never had the ball late w/ a chance to tie or win it. It would be completely unfair to OSU to ask them to beat a rival twice in one season especially when at this moment Mich doesn't deserve it. They have 1 big win(I don't count Wisconsin as they have just beat up on the weak Big 10) while teams like USC and UF have played killer scheds. If USC and UF lose and if ND barely beats USC then I think Mich should go but if USC wins out they deserve it, if USC loses a close one and UF wins out UF deserves and if ND crushes USC they deserve it.

[TRIPLE P]

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[TheAnswer74]

Saturday's score was close but it after OSU scored to tie it at 7 they controlled the rest of the game. They had a double digit lead most of the game and Mich never had the ball late w/ a chance to tie or win it. It would be completely unfair to OSU to ask them to beat a rival twice in one season especially when at this moment Mich doesn't deserve it. They have 1 big win(I don't count Wisconsin as they have just beat up on the weak Big 10) while teams like USC and UF have played killer scheds. If USC and UF lose and if ND barely beats USC then I think Mich should go but if USC wins out they deserve it, if USC loses a close one and UF wins out UF deserves and if ND crushes USC they deserve it.

Yeah, it would be unfair to ask Ohio State to beat Michigan on a neutral field this season.

If I was Ohio State I would rather play USC or Florida.

You make no sense at all. If ND cruches USC, the deserve it?? Michigan crushed ND.

I have said, if USC wins out or Florida wins out, then those teams do deserve a shot at Ohio State over Michigan.

But if ND beats USC, Florida loses to FLorida St or Arkansas, then Michigan will be teh team in the champioship.

Arkansas lost 50-3 to USC, so I dont even want to hear their name mentioned, especially if USC loses.

[Mouldsie]

ive changed my mind i want a rematch

[Scary Good]

Man, you guys are really ruining it for me.

I hate how you talk like your team is the best thing ever.

Makes me kinda sick, I hope OSU loses to whoever they play.

[BLeonard]

Here's the facts...
USC's loss: at Oregon State
Florida's loss: at Auburn
ND's loss: vs Michigan (AT HOME)
UM's loss: at Ohio State

Now, of those four, which loss is most acceptable? I would say Michigan's, due to the fact they played the #1 team, on the road and only lost by three. Notre Dame got waxed at home, so they don't even deserve to be in the discussion. They should under no circumstances jump over Michigan. USC lost to an UNRANKED team, and Florida lost to a team that they were supposed to beat as well. The only one loss team that wasn't upset in their loss was Michigan. You can't tell me that you think a team that lost to Oregon State or Auburn should get in over a team that lost to Ohio State. Had USC and Florida simply taken care of business and beaten the teams that they were supposed to beat, there wouldn't be any discussion regarding Michigan.

If Michigan gets in, which I think they should, USC and Florida can blame the losses they had that they should have won.

Funny thing is, if the situation were reversed, I bet OSU fans would be wanting a rematch.

-Bill

[Scary Good]

Exactly, Bill...good points.

[mighty peace warrior]

Man, you guys are really ruining it for me.

I hate how you talk like your team is the best thing ever.

Makes me kinda sick, I hope OSU loses to whoever they play.

kinda like how Michigan fans did before they lost?

[TheAnswer74]

kinda like how Michigan fans did before they lost?

Ohio State did nothing in that game that makes me think Michigan couldnt win a rematch on a neutral field.

Both teams had trouble stopping the other team.

[mighty peace warrior]

Ohio State did nothing in that game that makes me think Michigan couldnt win a rematch on a neutral field.

Both teams had trouble stopping the other team.

i see no real reason to debate that with you. the game was only close because of botched snaps.

you also said you were going to beat us the first time, you didn't. how many chances should you get? and if a rematch happened and Michigan won...roflmao...by 2 points, then what? its not boxing we aren't talking ali-frazier

[TheAnswer74]

i see no real reason to debate that with you. the game was only close because of botched snaps.

you also said you were going to beat us the first time, you didn't. how many chances should you get? and if a rematch happened and Michigan won...roflmao...by 2 points, then what? its not boxing we aren't talking ali-frazier

The whole point isnt about Michigan and Ohio State, its about who deserves a chance to play in the championship game against the #1 ranked team.

Its the system we have. Michigan was more impressive in their 1 loss then USC, ND, Arkansas, and Florida.

[mighty peace warrior]

The whole point isnt about Michigan and Ohio State, its about who deserves a chance to play in the championship game against the #1 ranked team.

Its the system we have. Michigan was more impressive in their 1 loss then USC, ND, Arkansas, and Florida.

lol..it isn't about your team...i doubt you would make this argument if Cal and USC were number 1/2 and #3 Michigan had only lost to Illinois.

Your team had your chance, you blew it.

[mighty peace warrior]

maybe we could just play every week until Michigan wins, then you can be champs!

[mighty peace warrior]

The whole point isnt about Michigan and Ohio State, its about who deserves a chance to play in the championship game against the #1 ranked team.

Its the system we have. Michigan was more impressive in their 1 loss then USC, ND, Arkansas, and Florida.

you can't lose impressively

there are no points for being close. you win or you lose...or if your Carr v. Tressel you just lose

[BLeonard]

the game was only close because of botched snaps.

That's called FOOTBALL... Botched snaps happen, as do missed field goals and drops, etc, etc.

The question is not who won or by how many, the question is, which loss is most acceptable? It's similar to the NCAA Basketball tournament... You get bad losses (Like USC's to Oregon State), you don't go to the dance if other teams have losses that are more acceptable. Unless, of course, you're saying that USC should have lost to Oregon State...

Did you know that Oregon State led USC 33-17 at the start of the fourth quarter?

Did you know that Oregon State also missed two field goals?

http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2006-2007/uscosu.html

Look at the game stats... Looks like it could have been a much bigger margin of victory for Oregon State.

If USC had lost by, say ten, instead of three, would we be having this argument?

-Bill

[mighty peace warrior]

That's called FOOTBALL... Botched snaps happen, as do missed field goals and drops, etc, etc.

The question is not who won or by how many, the question is, which loss is most acceptable? It's similar to the NCAA Basketball tournament... You get bad losses (Like USC's to Oregon State), you don't go to the dance if other teams have losses that are more acceptable. Unless, of course, you're saying that USC should have lost to Oregon State...

Did you know that Oregon State led USC 33-17 at the start of the fourth quarter?

Did you know that Oregon State also missed two field goals?

http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2006-2007/uscosu.html

Look at the game stats... Looks like it could have been a much bigger margin of victory for Oregon State.

If USC had lost by, say ten, instead of three, would we be having this argument?

-Bill

thanks for enlightening me to football, i was unfamiliar with the term.

did i know Oregon state missed FGs? yes i did, i live in Oregon and watched the game, i am a Beaver fan as well.

Yes you would still be having this argument regardless of a 10 point spread. If Ohio State had won by ten it would be the same argument from Michigan fans...we are the 2nd best team in the country.... its really irrelavant. It isnt like Basketball at all, basketball has a playoff system and plays more games, everyone losses on occasion.

the fact that Michigan stayed close, doesnt mean they deserve a rematch.

[nehemiah]

ohio state sucks.

everything in ohio SUCKS.

**** ohio.

[JLB]

ohio state sucks.

everything in ohio SUCKS.

**** ohio.


The election still pisses you off?

[nehemiah]

The election still pisses you off?it has nothing to do with an election.

ohio sucks in every way, at every time, for evermore.

[TheAnswer74]

you can't lose impressively

there are no points for being close. you win or you lose...or if your Carr v. Tressel you just lose

Im sorry but there are points for losing. Strength of schedule and margain of victory or defeat all matter.

You lose to Ohio State by 3 in Ohio State, it means more than losing to Oregon State or Auburn.

Unless your trying to tell me Ohio State isnt that good so Michigan's loss to Ohio State is the same as USC losing to Oregon State, if thats your thinking then I guess I cant argue.

But I happen to think Ohio State is better than Oregon State.

[mighty peace warrior]

Im sorry but there are points for losing. Strength of schedule and margain of victory or defeat all matter.

You lose to Ohio State by 3 in Ohio State, it means more than losing to Oregon State or Auburn.

Unless your trying to tell me Ohio State isnt that good so Michigan's loss to Ohio State is the same as USC losing to Oregon State, if thats your thinking then I guess I cant argue.

But I happen to think Ohio State is better than Oregon State.

yes i am telling you the best team in the country isnt that good...

just dumb

If it was up to me they would go back to the old bowl system.

You can argue all you want, you will never convince me Michigan deserves more than one shot at it. Its simply not how college football works.

[mighty peace warrior]

if you want to talk shoulda/woulda/coulda your boys should have taken care of buisness...they didn't

[Scary Good]

Everyone loves number 1.

[mighty peace warrior]

Everyone loves number 1.

leave it to a new guy to assume everyone who doenst like his team is on a bandwagon.

it could be i love OSU because i went to High School in Columbus.

but keep assuming....

Michigan will always suck in my eyes

[TRIPLE P]

Michigan will always suck in my eyes

Thats the truth.

Anyone expects me to respect michigan, be impressed with michigan, or think that michigan "deserves" anything is insane.

Like MPW said, michigan will always suck.

[mighty peace warrior]

jesus i just realized i have been an OSU fan longer than he has been alive and i didnt move to Columbus until i was a Junior in High School

[TheAnswer74]

yes i am telling you the best team in the country isnt that good...

just dumb

If it was up to me they would go back to the old bowl system.

You can argue all you want, you will never convince me Michigan deserves more than one shot at it. Its simply not how college football works.

Explain this to me please.

Forget your bias, forget my bias, Make a case for USC, ND, Florida, and Michigan.

I would really love to hear what your case would be for each team.

[mighty peace warrior]

i am not exactly sure what you want me to explain? the go back to the old bowl system part or what?

Notre Dame does not belong in this discussion. Florida only does if they beat Arkansas.

[BLeonard]

I think what TheAnswer is saying is: If you don't want Michigan in there, make a case for another team to be considered ahead of them.

A lot of people say that "Michigan doesn't deserve a second shot." That's fine, maybe they don't... But, tell me a team that deserves a shot ahead of Michigan... This isn't about a "Second shot." It's about who deserves to be considered the #2 team.

USC? They lost to Oregon friggen' State.
Florida? They lost to Auburn.
Notre Dame? They... Never mind, they have no case.

Michigan is the only team that has 2 wins over top ten teams in the current BCS standings (Notre Dame, Wisconsin). Not even the almighty Ohio State can claim that. As much as you might not like it, strength of schedule is a factor in college football.

Besides Arkansas, in the first week of the season, who has USC really beat? If they beat Notre Dame, they do the same thing at home that Michigan did on the road. Big Deal.

Meanwhile, Florida is running around playing teams like Western Carolina. Come on.

For the sake of argument, who has Notre Dame played, besides Michigan? Air Force? Navy?

Michigan has played the toughest schedule of the eligible teams, beaten everyone that they were supposed to beat, and gave Ohio State a good game, in front of 100,000 OSU fans. If that crowd is 50/50, which would be the case played on a neutral field, you're looking at a pick 'em game.

If I were an Ohio State fan, I wouldn't want a Championship game against Michigan either... After all, if they hung 39 points on the board while on the road, imagine what they could do at a neutral site.

It's gonna be interesting to see what OSU fans think Sunday, should Notre Dame beat USC... My guess is, they'll be wanting Florida, seems they handed Western Carolina that 62-0 thumping while in their own stadium.

Funny, if Michigan were in, say, Boise State's shoes... Undefeated, but not playing a tough schedule, people would be bitching about strength of schedule. But, since they play in the Big Ten, beat two top ten teams, handed Wisconsin their only loss (because OSU didn't even play them), and lose against their arch-rival, ranked #1, in their house, by a field goal, people wanna say "Screw them, bring on USC, even though they couldn't beat Oregon State... Or Florida, since they just obliterated Western Carolina. Those teams are more deserving."

Come on, OSU... You wanna prove that you're the best? Beat the team that is gonna give you the best run. If OSU is so great, they should have no trouble beating whoever they face, right?

-Bill

[TRIPLE P]

If OSU is so great, they should have no trouble beating whoever they face, right?



Exactly...... we'll **** up whoever we play....which is why I don't care.

And it wouldn't be 50/50.....it MIGHT be 70/30....probably closer to 75.

Ohio State owns AZ.

[BLeonard]

And it wouldn't be 50/50.....it MIGHT be 70/30....probably closer to 75.

Well, it wouldn't be 98.5/1.5 is the point :)

-Bill

[TheAnswer74]

Good post BLeonard. WXP, you just better hope Ohio State wins the championship, I wont let up on you if they lose.

[mighty peace warrior]

Come on, OSU... You wanna prove that you're the best? Beat the team that is gonna give you the best run. If OSU is so great, they should have no trouble beating whoever they face, right?

-Bill

we already did. if we played again then all we will have to hear about is..."well we never got to play you in the big house".

[emo]

just something to consider for you argument

the records of michigan and usc's out of conference opponents

mich. 25-20
usc 28-5

[BLeonard]

we already did. if we played again then all we will have to hear about is..."well we never got to play you in the big house".

"We already did?" I said "beat the team that's gonna give you the best run." I didn't say it was Michigan. So, am I to assume that by your "we already did" comment, that you think Michigan is the best one loss team out there, most capable of giving Ohio State a game? Or, did you simply have a knee-jerk reaction? Because, if you think USC would give them a better game, you haven't beat them. If you think Michigan would give them a better game, I think OSU would want to assure everyone that they are the best out there. Sorry, a three point win at home, when favored by a touchdown or so, isn't enough to prove to me that the same would happen on a neutral field.

And, who has said ANYTHING about "playing in the big house?" Nobody has said a word about playing the game at Michigan, and anyone that would, if OSU beat Michigan on a neutral field, is just making up excuses.

I make no excuses for Michigan. They lost. Period. Penalties, fumbles, whatever, at the end of the day, they lost. Fine. My point is, every other team has lost too. The fact that Michigan lost on the road to the #1 team is a more accepted loss than a loss to an unranked team, or a loss at home, when it comes to determining teams that haven't played one another. Michigan, USC and Florida will not play each other, period. Therefore, the only way you can really compare the teams is by what they did during the season.

Michigan lost by 3, on the road, to the #1 ranked team
USC lost to Oregon State, on the road, who was unranked
Florida lost to Auburn, on the road, who is 12th in the BCS

Now, just to take it out a step further, let's look at the winners of those three games:

Ohio State: Undefeated, Ranked #1 all season

Oregon State: Currently has 4 losses, 2 at home, and 2 by 28 points, 3 by 18 or more points, and in all of their losses, they lost by at LEAST 7.

Auburn: 2 losses, both at home. One by 17, the other by 22

Now, if you had to lose to one of these teams, who would you pick?

-Bill

[Scary Good]

leave it to a new guy to assume everyone who doenst like his team is on a bandwagon.

it could be i love OSU because i went to High School in Columbus.

but keep assuming....

Michigan will always suck in my eyes

If you'd pay attention, you'd know I wasn't a new guy.

[nyjunc]

Here's the facts...
USC's loss: at Oregon State
Florida's loss: at Auburn
ND's loss: vs Michigan (AT HOME)
UM's loss: at Ohio State

Now, of those four, which loss is most acceptable? I would say Michigan's, due to the fact they played the #1 team, on the road and only lost by three. Notre Dame got waxed at home, so they don't even deserve to be in the discussion. They should under no circumstances jump over Michigan. USC lost to an UNRANKED team, and Florida lost to a team that they were supposed to beat as well. The only one loss team that wasn't upset in their loss was Michigan. You can't tell me that you think a team that lost to Oregon State or Auburn should get in over a team that lost to Ohio State. Had USC and Florida simply taken care of business and beaten the teams that they were supposed to beat, there wouldn't be any discussion regarding Michigan.

If Michigan gets in, which I think they should, USC and Florida can blame the losses they had that they should have won.

Funny thing is, if the situation were reversed, I bet OSU fans would be wanting a rematch.

-Bill


So we go by losses? B/c Mich had a window dressing 3 point loss at OSU that's good? They were down double digits much of the game, never had a chance to tie or take the lead in the 4th qtr and OSU had 3 big TOs to NONE for Mich yet they were in control of the game from midway through the 1st qtr on.

Mich beat 2 ranked teams, both overrated teams and those were their only 2 decent wins of the year(Wisconsin is only ranked so high b/c of how bad the Big 10 is). USC played a MUCH touhger sched than Mich(as did UF) and they have the same amount of losses. USC deservs it, UF deserves it if they win the SEC- if those 2 lose then Mich gets a rematch to get humiliated by OSU for the title.

Ohio State did nothing in that game that makes me think Michigan couldnt win a rematch on a neutral field.

Both teams had trouble stopping the other team.

They turnd it over 3 key times and still won w/o having to sweat. They will embarrass Michigan in the title game if they play.