Actor compares 2000 election to Sept. 11

http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/democrat/news/local/2815697.htm

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what an idiot! also a liar since he promised to leave the country if Bush became president.

I love the quote from Florida's Lt. Governor regarding Baldwin:

"I haven't seen any of his work, but I hear he's marginally talented."

:lol:

[FrankieA]

It sounds like Baldwin is trying to push a conspiracy theory that Bush is responsible for 9/11. Give me a break, all Alec was trying to do was get some publicity to his short and pathetic career as an actor.

[billsfanone]

Maybe he's worried that no one would notice if he left the country.

The little puke. I'd b!tch slap him if I saw him.

[EricStratton]

Baldwin is campaining for Dems in Florida. The way to do that is link Jeb to GW and say he helped "steal" the election from the good people of Florida and it was a travesty.

He is also a clown who will do or say anything that he thinks will help get a Dem elected over Jeb in Florida. Strap on the boots because election season is just getting started.

I hope no democrats take this personally, but....I hate you. I hate you as a person and I hate what you stand for.

:D

[billsfanone]

I'm sure they hate you too log. Demacrats are very hateful.

[Moon Mullins]

Dear Clumping Plateletes
I disagree with you.

- edited by billsfanone

[EricStratton]

While I often disagree with Dems I actually hate very few of them. I can say I hate the celebs who trumpet Dem ideas (Baldwin, Steisand etc) and feel they must be right and anyone else wrong simply because they are celebs.

[BogusTrumper]

Originally posted by billsfanone
I'm sure they hate you too log. Demacrats are very hateful.

Hey!

[billsfanone]

Originally posted by BogusTrumper


Hey!

See, you are yelling at me. Proved my point!

that's why i hate dems. they are VERY hateful.

All Bogus and the rest care about is power. :D

[BogusTrumper]

Power baabeee. And money.

[billsfanone]

Originally posted by clumping platelets
Did I miss something??? :?:

Playing dumb? Just like Clinton.

[Moon Mullins]

Dear Clumping Platelets,
This will probably be edited too, but I'd be happy to send you a tape of the 911 special that aired this past Sunday. Perhaps if you could listen to the sickening sound of bodies crashing to the earth, bodies of people who jumped to their deaths to avoid incineration; bodies of Moms and Dads whose children are now without them; bodies of innocent working people who will never return home; you might gain some perspective on the absolute vulgarity of your comment.
While you have a right to your opinion, I have a right, in fact, an obligation, to point out to you that over 300 firefighters died trying to save lives that day, that 3,000 American working people suffered unimaginable, gruesome deaths that day, and that your comparison, joking or otherwise, is small minded, insensitive and disgraceful.

[EricStratton]

I was kind of wondering the same thing. Moons post kind of comes out of left (or maybe right) field. Got to love the passion though.

A comment on your earlier post, I'd rather have GW than the whole damn Baldwin family (and that includes Alex ex-wife Kim)

where's the whig party when you need it? :wail:

[Moon Mullins]

I don't know what a PM is, but your post was made in public. To quote your post "How about he stay and Bush leave" (great grammar, by the way), I see no other way to take that than to mean that you agree with Baldwin's equating the tally of the Florida vote (and subsequent Supreme Court decision upholding such) to the 911 tragedy. To even joke about this is to diminish the horror of what took place that day, no matter what your feelings about the President are. You can request whatever banishment that you want, but the fact remains that your comments should not have gone unchallenged. You made your statement in public, and I stand by my reply.

[EricStratton]

Anyones a better actor than the Baldwins

[Moon Mullins]

When I said 3,000 innocent Americans died that day, I was talking about ALL the Americans who died as a result of terrorism on Sept. 11.
There are only two sides in this, and you are clearly on Baldwin's. If you want to leave the country, please don't let me stand in your way.

crap...i knew things would get divicive in this forum. i say we ban this forum from the boards!

[billsfanone]

I'm moving to Maldives. I can't stand it here anymore.

[billsfanone]

Too many celebrities, liberals and aardvarks.

hey...how come clumpy gets to be the only mod in here? shouldn't it be like equal time with point vs. counterpoint issues?

this board is just like the mainstream media...slanted to the left. :mad:

:D

[billsfanone]

No Log, that's not how communism works. :D

clumpy, you seem too smart to be a left winger. :D

[Moon Mullins]

I can think of more than a few adjectives to add to your list. BTW your hero is on NIGHTLINE right now with his soulmate Bill Maher. It's quite the little leftist lovefest. You should tune in. Maybe they'll invite John Walker Lindh to join them in a chant of "death to the infidels".

i'm a right wing wacko...about as far right as they get! :D

[Moon Mullins]

What do you suppose he meant by the PLZ Die sign? I was content to let it rest until I saw that. I respect your opinion (bgreen) on the post of mine that you edited, but I feel that aligning one's self with someone who made the comments that Baldwin did is to nod in agreement with his message. I've been to "Ground Zero", and as one who believes that we can never, ever forget what happened there, I felt it necessary to point out how wrong it is to ever make light of. Insinuating, even jokingly, that Baldwin has a valid point is in extremely poor taste, and shouldn't be taken lightly.

[EricStratton]

You also spent 14 years defending your own right to be an a$$ as well.

From an outside observer (who happens to be right of center), do you see how Moon would get pissed if during a spirited debate about how much of a moron Baldwin is you throw up a please die sign?

I think linking your first comment to 9/11 was a hell of a streatch by MM but I can see how he got madder as the thread went on.

[Pete35]

The problem with liberals is that they are the most inflammatory people that u have ever met. They preach tolerance and acceptance, yet are the most intolerant and unaccepting people you will ever meet. Just look at Baldwin.

YOU ARE ALL HYPOCRITES!!!!

[EricStratton]

Except for a terrible environmental policy (embarrasingly bad and the EPA head is a joke - (my former gov.)), his domestic agenda hasn't been to bad. A little cooperation from both sides of the aisle would help.

BTW - The same guy shouldn't be the senate majority leader and run for president.

[billsfanone]

I happened to catch politically incorrect last night. Billy boy was on there. I was nauseaus. I really almost puked. If I ever saw that piece of poop, I swear I would smack him.

BTW, I'm not too right wing. I float around.

The arrogance of the left is disgusting. Pete35 nailed it. They try to act soooooo tolerant when in fact they are the most intolerant.

Pete35 – If you don’t mind, I’m going to use that material in future debates.

[billsfanone]

To counted that, I think the right tries to be too ultra-moral.

[Moon Mullins]

By making it clear that you would prefer to see Bush leave the country and Baldwin stay, you absolutely condone Baldwin's comments. I shouldn't be surprised at your Clintonesque twisting of your original post. What, are we supposed to believe that you made this declaration based on Baldwin's unbelievable body of work? If your going to make a statement, then you should at least have the courage to stand by it.

[EricStratton]

Neither wing is tolerant of the other. That's the problem. In todays world of you're either with us or against us and trying to get your mug on as many TV news shows as possible, the loudest screamers are rarely tolerent of each other's views.

I think the stereotype you are disgusted by goes both ways.

[billsfanone]

True. Very true Eric.

[EricStratton]

Originally posted by clumping platelets

I stand behind every statement! But I can neither confirm or deny that ;)

Spoken like a true Clinton Democrat

[billsfanone]

I cannot tolerate intolerant people. :D

Intolerance is a beautiful thing!
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<li>Our founding fathers were intolerant of taxation without representation.

<li>Frederick Douglas was intolerant of slavery.

<li>Susan B. Anthony was intolerant of allowing only men to vote.

<li>Winston Churchill was intolerant of Adolf Hitler.

<li>Martin Luther King was intolerant of segregation.

<li>Mother Teresa was intolerant of abortion.

<li>Thomas Jefferson was intolerant of King George III

Long Live Righteous Intolerance!

lordofgun was intolerant of clumping platelets. :D

Originally posted by clumping platelets
LMAO@the ultra right-winger

I'm intolerant of your stereotypical labeling. :D

[Moon Mullins]

Originally posted by lordofgun


Long Live Righteous Intolerance! [/B]

And long live LOG!:toast:
And, in the spirit of bi-partisanship, a beer for clumping platelets. :toast:
Sorry if I'm a bit harsh, but there are some things I don't have much of a sense of humor about, like liberals and Dolfans.
(Not calling you a Dolfan; I'm not that mean spirited.)

[BogusTrumper]

Who is intolerant of people? Some good people believe the stupidest things. I'm plenty tolerant of ultra right wingers. But if they say something stupid that's another story. I'm telling you. People at the opposite ends of the political spectrum can get along.

[BogusTrumper]

Even make babies together.

[Pete35]

Read the Book "The New Thought Police". The woman who wrote it was the President of the Los Angelos Chapter of NOW. In the book, she professes the guilt of herself, as well as the vast majority of the political left at "slamming" opposition as a strategy for silencing them. She talks about the ABSOLUTE intolerance of the political left to accept the dissemination of ANY opinion that is not "correct".

This explains clumping platelets "right-winger" slam. He, like others on the left, WILL NO TOLERATE YOUR OPINION if it differs from their own. You will be attacked ad hominen at every turn.

[billsfanone]

How did this get to be a love fest? :D

[BogusTrumper]

Through the love on the liberal side. We're all about love.

[billsfanone]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0761534040/ref%3Dnosim/thefriedrhayeksc/104-0750675-4037521

I think I'll buy the book. Read the readers reviews.

At least it can't get slammed for being a right-wing conspiracy.

Also ladies. Check out http://www.ifeminists.com/homepage/
They have a different take on the feminist issue.

[EricStratton]

A love fest can be nothing but boring. (In this case, some love fests are ok but thats a story for another day)

Originally posted by BogusTrumper
Through the love on the liberal side. We're all about love.

Bogus, you're all about money and sex. :D

If Clinton was in office, he would have bailed Enron out. I'm glad we have a Pres. who wouldn't do that even though they contributed to his campaign.

[billsfanone]

They are allowed clump. Just as we are allowed to attack them.

[EricStratton]

Originally posted by clumping platelets
And do you know that for fact??? thought not....why is it that attacks on the left are allowed??

can't we all just get along???:(

A bit sensitive Clump.

Attacks on both sides are allowed, actually encouraged.

What makes Tipper qualified to be a Senator?

[EricStratton]

Of course Fred Thompsons qualifications were he is a moderately successful actor.

It's sad when celebrity and money are the qualities needed to be in politics. Bloomburg, Thompson, Tipper, Hillary, Jon Corzine (NJ Senator)

[billsfanone]

Ronald Reagan?

He's my hero.

:patriot:

[EricStratton]

Agreed about Lazio. He seemed to run a "I'm not Hillary" campain instead of talking about who he was. By getting in late (damn prostrate and mistress for Rudy) he was under the Dems machine that Team Hillary drove to the senate. It was men against boys the whole campain season.

[EricStratton]

And as everything comes full circle - the celebrity factor infiltrating politics today is why a clown like Alex Baldwin has a forum to spout his idiotic thoughts and ideas that started this thread 80 posts ago.

[EricStratton]

bgreen - are you going to move this thread to the main forum now being its a RF/DF thing.

[BogusTrumper]

I'll take Flutie. You can compare me to him anytime.

[BogusTrumper]

Celebrities have a right to give their opinions just like anyone else. In fact, I believe they have a responsibility to use their celebrity status to do good.

[EricStratton]

I just don't like the celebs who feel the simple fact that they have a forum meens their opinion counts more than others.

[billsfanone]

Originally posted by BogusTrumper
Celebrities have a right to give their opinions just like anyone else. In fact, I believe they have a responsibility to use their celebrity status to do good.

I agree 100%.

As long as they don't cry and moan when there is a public backlash. The public is allowed to express their opinions too.

It works both ways.

:hitself:

[Moon Mullins]

Ron Johnson? What has he got to do with this? He was one of the great Giants RB's of the sixties.

Ronald Reagan's legacy: Ending the Cold War be leadership and negotiation from strength. Turning Around the miserable economy bequeathed to him by Jimmy Carter & Co. with bold economic policy.

Bill Clinton's legacy: Defiantly waving his finger at the American public "I did not have sexual relations with that woman..." while lying through his teeth, then dropping bombs to distract attention from his sexual harassment lawsuit while Saddam was kicking out UN arms inspectors and laughing at us. (Not to mention ignoring repeated intelligence warnings about the threat of the group who bombed the USS Cole).

Say the word with me people: PLEEEEEAAAASSSEEEE!

[BogusTrumper]

Originally posted by EricStratton
I just don't like the celebs who feel the simple fact that they have a forum meens their opinion counts more than others.

How do you know how they feel?

[EricStratton]

Originally posted by BogusTrumper


How do you know how they feel?

I'll change that from "who feel" to "who act as if"

Better?

clinton benefitted form the contract with america that the republicans introduced. the recression that we are climbing out of now was actually beginning a year before gw bush took office.

does anyone else think that clumpy is trying to really boost his post count with this thread?? I mean come on!!! one little winky face counts as a post?? LOL! ;) :D

[BogusTrumper]

Originally posted by EricStratton


I'll change that from "who feel" to "who act as if"

Better?

Change that to "who, IMHO, act as if"

[Moon Mullins]

If you can name one significant piece of legislation created by the Dem's during the eight years of Clinton's squandered tenure that were responsible for economic development, I might see your point, but the reality is that the Nineties economy was a result of the communications and electronics boom in this country. The groundwork was laid by the Republican's, the boom was created by entrepreneurs like Bill Gates and by the reawakening of the US auto industry (thanks in no small part to the SUV which is so reviled by the leftists), and it was nurtured by Alan Greenspan, a Republican. Clinton merely presided over it.

My point is this; every Presidency has it's defining moment. FDR eloquently calming the nation with the words "The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself". JFK's staring down Kruschev and Castro in the Cuban missile crisis (Nov. 22, 1963 aside). Ronald Reagan's "Mr. Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THESE WALLS!". Nixon "I will resign the Presidency effective...". Likely GWB will be remembered with a bullhorn at Ground Zero. There is, however, no denying the fact that Clinton will always be remembered condescendingly wagging his finger at us.

You'll note that two of the Presidents above were Democrats. One a notorious filanderer, but I am more than willing to give them there due, and I find Nixon every bit as repulsive as anyone does. He brought shame upon himself and his party. But Clinton was not a great man. Not even a good man, and that he will be remembered that way is of his own making.

P.S. Scoreboard update:
JFK - Marilyn Monroe
Bill Clinton- Monica Lewinsky
I'd call that a rout.

[EricStratton]

Originally posted by BogusTrumper


Change that to "who, IMHO, act as if"

It's not my opinion, its the way it is.

[Crinoline]

> Sorry if I'm a bit harsh, but there are some things I don't have much of a sense of humor about, like liberals and Dolfans.

Coming from Long Island I'd like to add Gang-Greeners to that list. If I had a nickel for everytime I had to hear "Moulds is okay but he's no Chrebet."

[Moon Mullins]

Originally posted by Crinoline
> Sorry if I'm a bit harsh, but there are some things I don't have much of a sense of humor about, like liberals and Dolfans.

Coming from Long Island I'd like to add Gang-Greeners to that list. If I had a nickel for everytime I had to hear "Moulds is okay but he's no Chrebet."

I'll second that, but they were alot easier to hate when Keyshawn was there. And Ted Cotrell is of the best guys you'll ever meet, and he should have been OUR head coach.

[EricStratton]

Let's also recognize that the Dems playbook :

1) Tax the rich
2) Give to the poor
3) Repeat

[billsfanone]

Originally posted by Crinoline

Coming from Long Island I'd like to add Gang-Greeners to that list. If I had a nickel for everytime I had to hear "Moulds is okay but he's no Chrebet."

There's no worse.

I'm from Yonkers. I understand!

bg, you're not saying the repubs started this war for that reason are you? :D

also, thank GOD Bush is cutting NEA money! That's about the most unconstitutional piece of crap that was ever invented! and as far as small business grants, i run a small business and have never received a dime from the gov't! It would be MUCH easier if they just let us keep more of our profits in the first place! Right now, I give 45-50% of my profits directly to the government. Pathetic if you ask me!

[BogusTrumper]

Originally posted by bgreen63
"Let's also recognize that the Dems playbook :

1) Tax the rich
2) Give to the poor
3) Repeat"

But at least the Dems are one play deeper.

:D

Sounds like the ultimate liberal -- Christ -- except he said take everything you have and sell it and give the money to the poor. Far easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter heaven.

Originally posted by EricStratton
Let's also recognize that the Dems playbook :

1) Tax the rich
2) Give to the poor
3) Repeat

I'll ammend that slightly:
1) Tax everyone heavily
2) Give to the poor and keep them poor so they can make them dependant on the government for all their needs and gain greater power and more votes.
3) Repeat

Originally posted by BogusTrumper


Sounds like the ultimate liberal -- Christ -- except he said take everything you have and sell it and give the money to the poor. Far easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter heaven.

The difference, bogus, is that Christ didn't force anyone to give their money to him or to the poor. The government does!

[BogusTrumper]

Good for them.

no way man...i'm not taking gov't money. the next thing you know, they start digging into your finances, asking you why your family can't help you out instead, etc. etc.

i have enough government in my life.

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Bogus - GOOD FOR THEM???

oh yeah...socialist...i forgot. personally, i'd rather have the money to do good out of the kindness of my heart.

[BogusTrumper]

I believe you would too.

[Moon Mullins]

You know that Jeff Foxworthy routine "You might be a redneck..."? I think you're in denial bgreen. Whether you know it or not, after reading your last few posts, it's obvious that you're a liberal.

I don't have time to adress every issue in your last post, but to try to portray conservatives in the same light as liberals when it comes to pork barrell spending is laughable.

Clinton accomplished absolutely none of his major policy initiatives. Peace in the Middle East? Socialist Health Care? Gays in the Military? (I'm not even going to start). He was the incidental President, elected due to slick marketing and spin.

And to criticize Bush for cutting NEA funds? I'm repulsed by the type of "art" that Giuliani tried to shut down art galleries in NYC for exhibiting, but I don't agree that they should be shut down for exhibiting it. But funding it with MY tax dollars, well that a WHOLE OTHER STORY.

Giving Prop's to Clinton because a bill that you think you remember might have benefitted small business? C'mon green, that bill was probably sponsored by Jack Kemp, one of our nations foremost champions of Enterprize Zones designed to benefit entrepreneurs with significantly reduced tax rates.

And last but not least your naive comments about Republicans and war discredit whatever points that you might have made, valid or otherwise. Check me if I'm wrong on this (and Trust me, I'm not) but the Viet Nam war, and its subsequent escalation and p-ss poor strategy that was informed by poor leadership from the executive branch, started during the administrations of Kennedy and Johnson.
And if by characterizing us as war-mongers you're referring to the current conflict, then what pray tell, would you have us do? I can only shudder to think what Al Gore might have done, while I thank GOD that we didn't have to find that out.

bravo moon! (except for the parts about bgreen...i'll get i trouble. :D ;) )

[BogusTrumper]

Originally posted by lordofgun
bravo moon! (except for the parts about bgreen...i'll get i trouble. :D ;) )

What he really mean to say was "Ditto"

:)

dang socialists...always putting words into everyone's mouths. :D

When do you defend that masters thesis, Bgreen? lol.

[Moon Mullins]

b:
Now I don't want to get off on a rant here, BUT..... First off as for "Why are you labeling someone based on traditional thinking? I said nothing about your political views, could care less what side you're on. But it appears that you hold to traditional positions that Republicans only want to protect the country while Dems want to give it away."

Your comments about the Repubkican "playbook" are just plain WRONG, and I just can't sit and accept them. The TRUE Republican playbook (a term I find nonsensical, BTW) is to negotiate from a position of strength so that we don't HAVE to go to war. As for Vietnam, history AND recently released White House recordings/papers have proven that the lion's share of escalation was done by LBJ. But why let facts get in the way of a good argument.

As for your notion of how bills become law, I'm not sure that we even live in the same country by your description. Kemp, was used as an example. He was out of public office by the time Clinton was elected. I used his name because he was a true innovator where it pertains to "enterprize zones". Regardless, my point is that bills are sponsored by members of the House and Senate, and are eventually, if they are to become law or policy, signed by the head of the Executive Branch, the President. But, just because a bill is passed into law during a Presidents term is not necessarily indicitive of that Presidents support or development of said legislation. In many cases it just means that he didn't have the votes to override it, or that vetoing the bill would not be politically expedient or that the bill passed by a 2/3's majority.
The issues I mentioned that Clinton never got anything done on were major, major parts of the platform that he ran on TWICE. That's why I brought them up.
In stark contrast, it was Reagan's tax cuts, and his downsizing of government and it's associated waste that turned the economy around. He fought "tax and spend liberals" with HIS budget and had a profound effect on the econonmy of the next TWENTY YEARS. Had the size of govenment been allowed to escalate until now at the rate that it had under LBJ ALONE the effects on this country would have been far reaching and diastrous.

I find it REALLY amusing that you accuse me of stereotyping after your incredibly simplistic "playbook" comment.

I am a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN and I'm damn proud of it. I don't run from it, nor do I believe in everything that the party makes a part of it's official platform. I have big problems with the death penalty, for instance. But my opinions are informed by my own personal ideology. That those opinions happen to agree with the general consensus of the "Party of Lincoln" most of the time is not an accident. I form my opinions first, based on my ideology, not based on an issue's relative "Republicanness" or because someone told me how to think. That's what Teddy Roosevelt ( R-New York) meant by "Rugged Individualism". (See Multiculturalism/Opposite).

As for the NEA, regardless of what kind of art they sponsor-- offensive, inoffensive, Velvet Elvises, elephant dung, whatever-- I don't remember seeing among the unalienable rights in the Constitution "The RIGHT to RECIEVE GOVERMENT FUNDING TO EXPRESS ONE'S SELF". I believe with my whole heart in the First Amendment, but I also believe tht the primary functions of the goverment are to defend the citizenry and to keep the trains running on time (I'm sure you'll take the above very literally, so I expect I'll be slammed for it in your next post, faint, thud, whatever).

THIS ONE'S MY FAVORITE:
"If anything, Truman the Democrat dropped the big one - twice. How come the Republicans seemed to be so gun shy in that area? Regan may have 'torn down that wall', but when it counted, Kennedy backed the Soviets down."

What on God's green earth are you talking about? How come the Republican's were so gun shy on that one?
Hold on cowboy, there's only one President at a time. Or did I miss the page in the history book that said "The part of the President will be played today by Adlai Stevenson...... who at the end of the day, was too feint of heart to send the Enola Gay to Nagasaki. Join us tomorrow when Harry Truman reprises his role and "drops two big ones" on the Zero bastards!?
Gun shy and Republicans. Wow. There are two phrases you don't see connected very often.

(For the record, I've got no problem with JFK, I consider FDR to be a true American hero, and I give Harry mad props for pulling the trigger. I put these comments in parentheses because you'll ignore them anyway.)

As for my "implying that Gore would have folded" allow me to apologize. For implying, that is. I'll come right out and say it. AL GORE WOULD HAVE FOLDED LIKE JOHN BUTLER'S LAWN CHAIR AT A CHURCH PICNIC.
And before you make out Algore to be Audie Murphy, he served DURING Vietnam. The closest he came to a firefight was when the "shift" key popped off of his Smith-Corona typewriter while he was fulfilling his cushy wartime duties as a "journalist". You conveniently forget that Algore Sr. was also a Senator from Tennessee throughout the Sixties.
My thoughts on W, on the other hand, have nothing to do with qualifications, National Guard duty, or anything other than his stepping up to the plate in a HUGE way before and since Sept 11.

I don't take your comments personally, and I hope you don't take mine that way. Keep the faith.

I'm intolerant of THF that's wet when they say it's dry. That f's up your reaction and you get skewed results. We call that cowboy chemistry cuz you have to repeat the experiment cuz you have no idea why it didn't work. Was it the chemistry or was it the water?