New details in Pat Tillman's death

[ckg68]

And it goes from bad to worse...

Apparently,Pat had yelled over and over again who he was-to no avail.

No one identified their targets before firing. One of them had just undergone laser eye surgery.

And there's a lot more...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061109/ap_on_re_us/inquest_for_a_warrior

[Ru]

Link don't work

[ckg68]

Fixed. Give it a try now.

[SpikedLemonade]

Shiva will enjoy this.

[JLB]

Why dig it up true or not.
R.I.P.

[SpikedLemonade]

Why dig it up true or not.
R.I.P.


The theory goes that Tillman was murdered because he was high profile and was going to openly criticize the American Administration when he got home.

He would have had the celebrity to have a tremendous amount of crediability.

[shiva2999]

I told you guys AT THE TIME Pat Tillman was killed that he was murdered.

But then, I hate America.

[SpikedLemonade]

I told you guys AT THE TIME Pat Tillman was killed that he was murdered.

Do you think that this new investigation will come to the same conclusion?

[shiva2999]

Do you think that this new investigation will come to the same conclusion?

We can always hope.

There must be SOME people in the military who's ultimate allegiance is to the truth.

[SpikedLemonade]

We can always hope.

There must be SOME people in the military who's ultimate allegiance is to the truth.

So who then gave the order to murder him?

Rummy is already the Scape Goat on Iraq.

Why NOT blame him for this as well?

[shiva2999]

So who then gave the order to murder him?

He was murdered with the desire to exploit his death politically.

So I would say Bush/Cheney/Karl Rove are the culprits.

[SpikedLemonade]

He was murdered with the desire to exploit his death politically.

So I would say Bush/Cheney/Karl Rove are the culprits.

Cheney is one missed heart beat away from death.

Bush is leaving the country apparantly with the rest of his family to South America.

It looks like Karl Rove will be left holding the bag.

Perhaps they should hang him side by side with Sadam.

[pigpen65]

I think the most interesting part of the story is that Tillman knew before he went over that if he was killed, his death would be exploited. To the point that he went to a lawyer and added into his will that he DID NOT want a military funeral. No flags, no 21 gun salute. Whatever circumstances added to his death (which were numerous and all very curious,) there was a huge governmental coverup following it, and the poor bastard was exploited harder than he ever could have imagined. George Bush will burn in hell for going on the big screen in Sun Devil stadium 7 months before his election and using Tillman's death to pump the war movement knowing full well the circumstances surrounding his death.

Tillman was awarded a silver star for valor. A recognition no other casualty of friendly fire has ever recieved. Disgusting.

[Figurita20]

Bush is leaving the country apparantly with the rest of his family to South America.


Come again? I feel uneasy with this news.

[shiva2999]

Come again? I feel uneasy with this news.

The Bush family bought a huge estate in Paraguay.

We all know who used Paraguay as a hidey-hole.

[uppy]

Shit happens in combat..when men are under fire at times things go wrong.

Its not a computer game.

I wish some of you would stop pissing on this mans grave.

[SpikedLemonade]

I wish some of you would stop pissing on this mans grave.

I've got nothing but respect for Pat Tillman.

He is a true hero.

The cowards that used him and possibly killed him are the ones pissing on his grave.

[chickie]

Let the man R.I.P.

[uppy]

I've got nothing but respect for Pat Tillman.

He is a true hero.

The cowards that used him and possibly killed him are the ones pissing on his grave.


He was KIA,the guys in his unit did not kill him for a politcal reason...thats

what pisses me off.

You can say Bu$hco killeds our Troops because he sent them to war.

I respect your opinion on that.

But, when you people say the guys in his unit killed him,because of

politics it pisses me off.

[shiva2999]

He was KIA,the guys in his unit did not kill him for a politcal reason...thats

what pisses me off.

You can say Bu$hco killeds our Troops because he sent them to war.

I respect your opinion on that.

But, when you people say the guys in his unit killed him,because of

politics it pisses me off.


So, because it pisses you off it can't be true?

[uppy]

So, because it pisses you off it can't be true?

You have your head up your ass on this issue.Most of the time you have

great points in the debate...but you don't know shit about this,if you think

his buddys offed him under orders.

Let the man rest in peace.

or in other words STFU

[Tasteless]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Another meathead American volunteered for death duty and got what was coming to him.

It makes no difference to me who pulled the trigger.

Reap it Pat.

[micknaboz]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Another meathead American volunteered for death duty and got what was coming to him.

It makes no difference to me who pulled the trigger.

Reap it Pat.

Seriously man, get a life, your post is disgusting and insulting to all Americans , and if it was up to me you would be banned. ass hole

[Tasteless]

Seriously man, get a life, your post is disgusting and insulting to all Americans , and if it was up to me you would be banned. *******

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!

Like I give a shit about what any American thinks.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

:tool:

[shiva2999]

You have your head up your ass on this issue.Most of the time you have

great points in the debate...but you don't know shit about this,if you think

his buddys offed him under orders.

Let the man rest in peace.

or in other words STFU

So I take it your answer to my question is yes?

[uppy]

Seriously man, get a life, your post is disgusting and insulting to all Americans , and if it was up to me you would be banned. ass hole


Well Said Sir !

+1

[JoeMama]

Anyone remember this gem?

http://www.cosmosleft.com/images/475_RallTillman.gif

[uppy]

So I take it your answer to my question is yes?


Wrong

[shiva2999]

Wrong

Oh, so you have a REAL reason it can't be true other than it pisses you off to hear?

Then why not share it with us?

[shiva2999]

BTW uppy, it wasn't hippies that blew Pat Tillman away.

It was your buddies in the Army.

So I think you should STFU.

[Tasteless]

Anyone remember this gem?

my vote...

[uppy]

BTW uppy, it wasn't hippies that blew Pat Tillman away.

It was your buddies in the Army.

So I think you should STFU.


It was friendly fire...shit happens

[Tasteless]

It was friendly fire...shit happens
I agree.

friendly fire...

enemy fire...

he got fragged...

it's war... shit happens.

[shiva2999]

It was friendly fire...shit happens

Oh, I forgot.

Fragging was a term invented by the left to smear the military, huh?

[uppy]

Fragging was a term used because a hand grenade was used.

[shiva2999]

Fragging was a term used because a hand grenade was used.

Originally.

[chickie]

Uppy don't give them the satisfaction of responding.

Let it go you guys, and let the man rest in peace no matter how you feel about the war, America, or Bush.....LET IT GO.

This is not the thread to be bashing your opinions - this was a mans life and there is no reason for any of this. Now please stop.

[uppy]

thank you

[shiva2999]

Uppy don't give them the satisfaction of responding.

Let it go you guys, and let the man rest in peace no matter how you feel about the war, America, or Bush.....LET IT GO.

This is not the thread to be bashing your opinions - this was a mans life and there is no reason for any of this. Now please stop.

I think we should just let Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman rest in peace.

So stop ragging on OJ.

[pigpen65]

Uppy don't give them the satisfaction of responding.

Let it go you guys, and let the man rest in peace no matter how you feel about the war, America, or Bush.....LET IT GO.

This is not the thread to be bashing your opinions - this was a mans life and there is no reason for any of this. Now please stop.


jesus christ. read the article. "let it go?" Tell that to his mother and his brother who are still haunted by the death of their son and brother. let it go... WTF is the matter with you? I've never heard anything so arrogant and ignorant in my life.

[uppy]

jesus christ. read the article. "let it go?" Tell that to his mother and his brother who are still haunted by the death of their son and brother. let it go... WTF is that matter with you? I've never heard anything so arrogant and ignorant in my life.

The man is gone....are these people going to turn into Cindy sheehan

[pigpen65]

The man is gone....are these people going to turn into Cindy sheehan


I'd like to see you say that if it was your kid that got sent home without the back of his head. For more than a month the government lied to them about it being friendly fire. They've been told on separate occasions that the troops who killed him were anywhere from 33 to 250 yards away. They still haven't gotten an explanation as to why the platoon split in two, something that had never happened before that. A parent is supposed to just "let that go?" **** that. And **** anybody for saying that.

[uppy]

They still haven't gotten an explanation as to why the platoon split in two, something that had never happened before that.

LOL

Do you think a infantry platoon holds hands as thay move.

[chickie]

pigpen - why don't you go find your little blue blankey and go stick your thumb in your mouth.

[pigpen65]

pigpen - why don't you go find your little blue blankey and go stick your thumb in your mouth.


I'm going to take a shot in the dark here and say you don't have any children. True?

[pigpen65]

LOL

Do you think a infantry platoon holds hands as thay move.

I think that when a troop starts firing on each other and takes a couple of their own heads off, it's something worth looking into.

[micknaboz]

Sounds to me like he wants the truth.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/200601019_after_pats_birthday/

After Pat’s Birthday


Posted on Oct 19, 2006
Pat and Kevin Tillman
Courtesy of the Tillman Family
By Kevin Tillman

Editor’s note: Kevin Tillman joined the Army with his brother Pat in 2002, and they served together in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pat was killed in Afghanistan on April 22, 2004. Kevin, who was discharged in 2005, has written a powerful, must-read document.



It is Pat’s birthday on November 6, and elections are the day after. It gets me thinking about a conversation I had with Pat before we joined the military. He spoke about the risks with signing the papers. How once we committed, we were at the mercy of the American leadership and the American people. How we could be thrown in a direction not of our volition. How fighting as a soldier would leave us without a voice… until we got out.

Much has happened since we handed over our voice:

Somehow we were sent to invade a nation because it was a direct threat to the American people, or to the world, or harbored terrorists, or was involved in the September 11 attacks, or received weapons-grade uranium from Niger, or had mobile weapons labs, or WMD, or had a need to be liberated, or we needed to establish a democracy, or stop an insurgency, or stop a civil war we created that can’t be called a civil war even though it is. Something like that.

Somehow our elected leaders were subverting international law and humanity by setting up secret prisons around the world, secretly kidnapping people, secretly holding them indefinitely, secretly not charging them with anything, secretly torturing them. Somehow that overt policy of torture became the fault of a few “bad apples” in the military.

Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a five-year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas, or slapping stickers on cars, or lobbying Congress for an extra pad in a helmet. It’s interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a five-year-old; or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him; or an extra pad in a helmet, as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat.

Somehow the more soldiers that die, the more legitimate the illegal invasion becomes.

Somehow American leadership, whose only credit is lying to its people and illegally invading a nation, has been allowed to steal the courage, virtue and honor of its soldiers on the ground.

Somehow those afraid to fight an illegal invasion decades ago are allowed to send soldiers to die for an illegal invasion they started.

Somehow faking character, virtue and strength is tolerated.

Somehow profiting from tragedy and horror is tolerated. Somehow the death of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people is tolerated.

Somehow subversion of the Bill of Rights and The Constitution is tolerated.

Somehow suspension of Habeas Corpus is supposed to keep this country safe.

Somehow torture is tolerated.

Somehow lying is tolerated.

Somehow reason is being discarded for faith, dogma, and nonsense.

Somehow American leadership managed to create a more dangerous world.

Somehow a narrative is more important than reality.

Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.

Somehow the most reasonable, trusted and respected country in the world has become one of the most irrational, belligerent, feared, and distrusted countries in the world.

Somehow being politically informed, diligent, and skeptical has been replaced by apathy through active ignorance.

Somehow the same incompetent, narcissistic, virtueless, vacuous, malicious criminals are still in charge of this country.

Somehow this is tolerated.

Somehow nobody is accountable for this.

In a democracy, the policy of the leaders is the policy of the people. So don’t be shocked when our grandkids bury much of this generation as traitors to the nation, to the world and to humanity. Most likely, they will come to know that “somehow” was nurtured by fear, insecurity and indifference, leaving the country vulnerable to unchecked, unchallenged parasites.

Luckily this country is still a democracy. People still have a voice. People still can take action. It can start after Pat’s birthday.

[chickie]

I'm going to take a shot in the dark here and say you don't have any children. True?

Take another shot -

Yes, I have 2. And if my son or daughter went into the Military, and were killed, murdered, what have you I would be mortified, but I would also be proud because they were defending our country.

At the same time Shiva and Tasteless....were getting a little "tasteless" in this thread.

Which is why I asked them to LET IT GO IN THIS THREAD.

The man is dead, and if this was my son or daughter and they were being dicussed this way - I would not like it.

We should let him rest in peace and be proud at the fact that people like him are willing to stand up for our country. Let the family handle the rest. That is all I am saying.

[pigpen65]

The man is dead, and if this was my son or daughter and they were being dicussed this way - I would not like it.

well, as it is you aren't his mother. And the reason this case has entered a 5th internal investigation is because his mother saw through the exploitative, propganda bullshit you and many like you have bought into. And she is not ready to let it go.

[chickie]

well, as it is you aren't his mother. And the reason this case has entered a 5th internal investigation is because his mother saw through the exploitative, propganda bullshit you and many like you have bought into. And she is not ready to let it go.

and that is HER choice.

We all know that some rotten crap comes form wars, but he still deserves respect from his country, and not to slander his name like this. We as American's should honor this man and treat him w/the utmost respect. It is what he deserves.

[Tasteless]

he got what he deserved.

battlefield karma.

it was a good death.

[chickie]

he got what he deserved.

battlefield karma.

it was a good death.

Since you are a karma believer you will get what you deserve one day too.

[SpikedLemonade]

It was friendly fire...shit happens

How come it seems to be one way when Canadian soldiers are involved?

We have lost many Canadian soldiers due to American friendly fire, but I can't think of one American killed by Canadian friendly fire.

Just a little trigger happy are you?

[SpikedLemonade]

jesus christ. read the article. "let it go?" Tell that to his mother and his brother who are still haunted by the death of their son and brother. let it go... WTF is the matter with you? I've never heard anything so arrogant and ignorant in my life.

Well said.

Especially when NO one is criticizing Pat Tillman here.

Just the suspicious circumstances of his death/murder.

[ckg68]

and that is HER choice.

We all know that some rotten crap comes form wars, but he still deserves respect from his country, and not to slander his name like this. We as American's should honor this man and treat him w/the utmost respect. It is what he deserves.

That includes not lying about the details of his death. Which we have done. Numerous times.

Or,to use another example,the details on how Jessica Lynch became a POW. It sure wasn't because of a firefight,where she got injured,blah blah blah...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Lynch

It's just as distasteful to see someone in the armed forces have their activities exploited by those in power without their OK just to score points with the public.

[shiva2999]

At the same time Shiva and Tasteless....were getting a little "tasteless" in this thread.

Which is why I asked them to LET IT GO IN THIS THREAD.

Excuse me, I didn't realize Miss ****ing Manners had joined the board.

Screw you, I'm not going to let it go and I haven't let it go since Pat Tillman was murdered.

As far as I'm concerned, whacking a brave soldier and a brave American before he could blow the whistle on an evil and corrupt administration is ****ing tasteless.

Using that dead hero as an excuse to pimp the war is ****ing tasteless.

Lying about how he died to protect the reputation of the ass hole military is ****ing tasteless.

AND SUPPOSED PATRIOTS SAYING "LET IT GO" IS ****ING TASTELESS!

Man, some of you people are repulsive.

[uppy]

War, ..................such a messy thing!


The man was a hero, a real man. There is not a man on this board that

should question him, his life, or his death.

I'm so tired of the hand wringing pussies that never wore a uniform

questioning the integrity of a man who put his life on the line. I'm not just

talking about Tillman, I'm talking about all of them.

Past, present and future.

If you do not agree with me, then go **** yourself.

Have a nice Veterans day!!!!!!!!!!!

Your freedom of expression is protected

[uppy]

Sounds to me like he wants the truth.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/200601019_after_pats_birthday/


This whole thing is being kept alive by the tinfoil hat conspiracy boys. They want us to believe Tillman was silenced for some dumbass reason.

You won your election, already. Let it rest.

[shiva2999]

Yes, on this day when we should give thanks to all those who genuinely fought for our freedom, I'm sad to say that I know at least one vet who did squat for my freedom and squat for the freedom of the Tillman family and squat for the freedom of his fellow citizens.

[Mouldsie]

Nobody who is reasonable is questioning Tillman's character. He certainly was a great man and a hero, that's why it's infuriating that there is strong evidence he was in fact murdered to advance a political agenda!

It's ****ing disgusting.



gopchick should be ashamed, uppy you need to open your eyes a little and see what is really the topic

[35Pete]

Wow. This is a shocker. There is a "fog of war"?

And this is a shocker too...The army after Pat's death, because the army considered Pat to be more special than any other soldier, didn't immediately release a detailed report right down to Pat's last dying words.

Terrible I tell you. Terrible.

[uppy]

Yes, on this day when we should give thanks to all those who genuinely fought for our freedom, I'm sad to say that I know at least one vet who did squat for my freedom and squat for the freedom of the Tillman family and squat for the freedom of his fellow citizens.


Who would that be ?

[shiva2999]

Wow. This is a shocker. There is a "fog of war"?


Pete knows what being in a fog is like.

He's an expert.

[shiva2999]

Who would that be ?

Did you think I meant you? Perish the thought!

I meant this guy...

http://planicie-heroica.weblog.com.pt/arquivo/rummy_uncle_sam.jpg

[uppy]

Nobody who is reasonable is questioning Tillman's character. He certainly was a great man and a hero, that's why it's infuriating that there is strong evidence he was in fact murdered to advance a political agenda!

It's ****ing disgusting.



gopchick should be ashamed, uppy you need to open your eyes a little and see what is really the topic

Political agenda, are you kidding me ? The only people that have an agenda

about this issue are the tinfoil hat boys.Perhaps you should open your eyes.

[shiva2999]

Political agenda, are you kidding me ? The only people that have an agenda

about this issue are the tinfoil hat boys.

Make sure you go to church tomorrow.

Jesus wants to wash your mouth out with soap.

[JLB]

Make sure you go to church tomorrow.

Jesus wants to wash your mouth out with soap.

I don't believe the Father would like you to make any judements ever again on his behalf ok?

[uppy]

Make sure you go to church tomorrow.

Jesus wants to wash your mouth out with soap.


You will be in my thoughts.


Now let the man rest in peace.

[shiva2999]

I don't believe the Father would like you to make any judements ever again on his behalf ok?

"Judge not, lest ye be judged"...

I'll take that chance.

[shiva2999]

You will be in my thoughts.


Now let the man rest in peace.

How do you know he's resting in peace?

Do the murdered rest in peace while their murderers walk around free?

[uppy]

He was killed in action not murdered

[micknaboz]

This whole thing is being kept alive by the tinfoil hat conspiracy boys. They want us to believe Tillman was silenced for some dumbass reason.

You won your election, already. Let it rest.


I aint hardly posting in here, but you should tell his family to let it rest, they are the ones who want and deserve the truth.

[shiva2999]

He was killed in action not murdered

Five investigations say there might be a problem believing this.

[uppy]

The convoy was moving west at dusk. Tillman's group would have had the

sun at their backs and all the shooter's would have seen were silhouettes.

Keep in mind they had just punched through an ambush in the canyon and

had no communication with the 1st group.

Shit happens in combat...end of investigation on the action, he was KIA.

Now if you wish to have an investigation into how the Army went about

telling the Tilman family what happend go for it.

[shiva2999]

The convoy was moving west at dusk. Tillman's group would have had the

sun at their backs and all the shooter's would have seen were silhouettes.

Keep in mind they had just punched through an ambush in the canyon and

had no communication with the 1st group.

Shit happens in combat...end of investigation on the action, he was KIA.

Now if you wish to have an investigation into how the Army went about

telling the Tilman family what happend go for it.

There is no evidence that I've ever seen that the unit was ambushed.

[Scary Good]

So, because it pisses you off it can't be true?


Seriously, you have issues. Seek help.

[uppy]

There is no evidence that I've ever seen that the unit was ambushed.

That suspicion would be confirmed when the Black Sheep drove through a narrow canyon, its walls towering about 500 feet, and came under fire from enemy Afghans. Chaos broke out and communications broke down.

......

[shiva2999]

That's not evidence.

I've covered this before.

No enemy Afghans were found and no evidence of them had been found.

The Afghans fighting with the Americans said it wasn't an attck.

[uppy]

I've covered this before

LMAO

What do you know about Army ops ?

[JLB]

"Judge not, lest ye be judged"...

I'll take that chance.

You were warned of course the final decision is yours.

[shiva2999]

Who appointed you to warn people for God?

[chickie]

That's not evidence.

I've covered this before.

No enemy Afghans were found and no evidence of them had been found.

The Afghans fighting with the Americans said it wasn't an attck.

So do you always believe what the Afghans tell you?

[JLB]

Make sure you go to church tomorrow.

Jesus wants to wash your mouth out with soap.

You did when you said this remember?
Who appointed you is a better question.

[shiva2999]

You did when you said this remember?
Who appointed you is a better question.

You were warned of course the final decision is yours.

I hope you're going to church too, you sinner.

[JLB]

You were warned of course the final decision is yours.

I hope you're going to church too, you sinner.

I'll see you there God Bless.

[Al Davis]

I've got nothing but respect for Pat Tillman.

He is a true hero.

The cowards that used him and possibly killed him are the ones pissing on his grave.

I agree, If this is true it is very sad. There comes a time for the middle class, and average citizens to stand up against our government. and say enough is enough. To limit the power of the powerful, and limit their greed. I may be getting off topic, probably because of the beer.

[shiva2999]

I'll see you there God Bless.

I'll be there in spirit and the big guy wants a report.

Don't cheap out when the collection plate comes around.

[chickie]

I'll be there in spirit and the big guy wants a report.

Don't cheap out when the collection plate comes around.

Are you going to ignore my question?

Come on conspiracy theorist.

Or did Uppy explain everything to you logically?

[shiva2999]

Are you going to ignore my question?

Come on conspiracy theorist.

Or did Uppy explain everything to you logically?

I'm sorry, I thought the question was rhetorical conspiracy theorist.

But if it wasn't, the answer is yes.

I always trust what the Afghans say.

Are you calling your allies liars?

[chickie]

I'm sorry, I thought the question was rhetorical conspiracy theorist.

But if it wasn't, the answer is yes.

I always trust what the Afghans say.

Are you calling your allies liars?

First of all I am not talking about me, I am talking about you.

Why would you always trust what the Afghans say?

What makes you believe everything they say?

[shiva2999]

First of all I am not talking about me, I am talking about you.

You may be talking about me but I'm talking about you.

What do you have against the Afghans?

Do you personally know any Afghani liars?

Why are you slandering a whole country?

[chickie]

You may be talking about me but I'm talking about you.

What do you have against the Afghans?

Do you personally know any Afghani liars?

Why are you slandering a whole country?

Don't twist this around on me.

You stated "The Afghans fighting with the Americans said it wasn't an attck".

So I want to know why YOU believe everything they say.

Don't play your mind games w/me or I will have to use the force on you!

[uppy]

I'm sorry, I thought the question was rhetorical conspiracy theorist.

But if it wasn't, the answer is yes.

I always trust what the Afghans say.

Are you calling your allies liars?



Did the Afghans right the after-action report...lol

you base this bullshit on some report that was done by who....the shit is

getting weak....let it go.

You have no idea what you are talking about

[JLB]

I'll be there in spirit and the big guy wants a report.

Don't cheap out when the collection plate comes around.

You be well God Bless.

[shiva2999]

Don't twist this around on me.

You stated "The Afghans fighting with the Americans said it wasn't an attck".

So I want to know why YOU believe everything they say.

Don't play your mind games w/me or I will have to use the force on you!

Sorry, but I'm not your husband.

You're the one who's twisting things.

You asked a silly question, you got a silly answer.

If you have a problem with it, take it out on the poor guy you can legally torture.

[shiva2999]

Did the Afghans right the after-action report...lol


I doubt they were even asked at the time.

Except by some brave reporters.

[uppy]

Sorry, but I'm not your husband.

You're the one who's twisting things.

You asked a silly question, you got a silly answer.

If you have a problem with it, take it out on the poor guy you can legally torture.

Wow...I never thought I would see the day that you would tap dance around

a question from a new poster....is it because She is a woman and backed

you up ?

LMAO

[uppy]

I doubt they were even asked at the time.

Except by some brave reporters.

lol

Let it go my boy....you are dying a slow death in this thread

[chickie]

Sorry, but I'm not your husband.

You're the one who's twisting things.

You asked a silly question, you got a silly answer.

If you have a problem with it, take it out on the poor guy you can legally torture.

Ok wise guy.

I am being serious with you. How can you believe everything you hear and read from the Afghans?

What makes them tell the truth then the next guy?

Where do they get their sources from?

Have a struck a nerve in you tonight or something?

[shiva2999]

Gee, "I never thought..." and "you are dying" smack in concecutive posts.

LMAO!

You're really running out of material.

[shiva2999]

I am being serious with you. How can you believe everything you hear and read from the Afghans?

How can you say that's a serious question with a straight face?

[chickie]

Gee, "I never thought..." and "you are dying" smack in concecutive posts.

LMAO!

You're really running out of material.

So basically you are going to let me call your bluff?

I can't believe you would fold this easily?

I don't think that I have run out of any material.

You are the one who can't answer simple questions, but it was fun while it lasted.

[uppy]

I am trying to be nice....show me some something thats backs up your

bull that you have posted in this thread.

[Mouldsie]

So do you always believe what the Afghans tell you?

Do you always believe what the neo-cons tell you?

[chickie]

Do you always believe what the neo-cons tell you?

No I believe in common sense

[Mouldsie]

How does that apply in this case?

[GFLuNEEDit]

Excuse me, I didn't realize Miss ****ing Manners had joined the board.

Screw you, I'm not going to let it go and I haven't let it go since Pat Tillman was murdered.

As far as I'm concerned, whacking a brave soldier and a brave American before he could blow the whistle on an evil and corrupt administration is ****ing tasteless.

Using that dead hero as an excuse to pimp the war is ****ing tasteless.

Lying about how he died to protect the reputation of the ass hole military is ****ing tasteless.

AND SUPPOSED PATRIOTS SAYING "LET IT GO" IS ****ING TASTELESS!

Man, some of you people are repulsive.

I hope the you have some evidence for this one.
You came out with that Zarqawi conspiracy and suddenly it went quiet when we tried to find it.

[uppy]

How does that apply in this case?

I think Chick has a good point

[uppy]

Joe are you drunk ?

[uppy]

Yup..lol

Joe is drunk

[35Pete]

Chill out Joe. No one talks like that in here.

[JoeMama]

All my posts got deleted.

[iakona]

It was friendly fire...shit happens

What about the obvious cover-up? They knew it was "friendly fire" and lied to his family and the public. Where the investigation leads I don't know, but they exploited his death, plain and simple.

Why don't you read what his brother, who signed up with him and could have played pro baseball, Wrote:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/200601019_after_pats_birthday/

Kevin Tillman joined the Army with his brother Pat in 2002, and they served together in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pat was killed in Afghanistan on April 22, 2004. Kevin, was discharged in 2005

'After Pat's Birthday' ...

By Kevin Tillman

It is Pat’s birthday on November 6, and elections are the day after. It gets me thinking about a conversation I had with Pat before we joined the military. He spoke about the risks with signing the papers. How once we committed, we were at the mercy of the American leadership and the American people. How we could be thrown in a direction not of our volition. How fighting as a soldier would leave us without a voice… until we get out.

Much has happened since we handed over our voice:

Somehow we were sent to invade a nation because it was a direct threat to the American people, or to the world, or harbored terrorists, or was involved in the September 11 attacks, or received weapons-grade uranium from Niger, or had mobile weapons labs, or WMD, or had a need to be liberated, or we needed to establish a democracy, or stop an insurgency, or stop a civil war we created that can’t be called a civil war even though it is. Something like that.

Somehow our elected leaders were subverting international law and humanity by setting up secret prisons around the world, secretly kidnapping people, secretly holding them indefinitely, secretly not charging them with anything, secretly torturing them. Somehow that overt policy of torture became the fault of a few “bad apples” in the military.

Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a five-year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas, or slapping stickers on cars, or lobbying Congress for an extra pad in a helmet. It’s interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a five-year-old; or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him; or an extra pad in a helmet, as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat.

Somehow the more soldiers that die, the more legitimate the illegal invasion becomes.

Somehow American leadership, whose only credit is lying to its people and illegally invading a nation, has been allowed to steal the courage, virtue and honor of its soldiers on the ground.

Somehow those afraid to fight an illegal invasion decades ago are allowed to send soldiers to die for an illegal invasion they started.

Somehow faking character, virtue and strength is tolerated.

Somehow profiting from tragedy and horror is tolerated.

Somehow the death of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people is tolerated.

Somehow subversion of the Bill of Rights and The Constitution is tolerated.

Somehow suspension of Habeas Corpus is supposed to keep this country safe.

Somehow torture is tolerated.

Somehow lying is tolerated.

Somehow reason is being discarded for faith, dogma, and nonsense.

Somehow American leadership managed to create a more dangerous world.

Somehow a narrative is more important than reality.

Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.

Somehow the most reasonable, trusted and respected country in the world has become one of the most irrational, belligerent, feared, and distrusted countries in the world.

Somehow being politically informed, diligent, and skeptical has been replaced by apathy through active ignorance.

Somehow the same incompetent, narcissistic, virtueless, vacuous, malicious criminals are still in charge of this country.

Somehow this is tolerated.

Somehow nobody is accountable for this.

In a democracy, the policy of the leaders is the policy of the people. So don’t be shocked when our grandkids bury much of this generation as traitors to the nation, to the world and to humanity. Most likely, they will come to know that “somehow” was nurtured by fear, insecurity and indifference, leaving the country vulnerable to unchecked, unchallenged parasites.

Luckily this country is still a democracy. People still have a voice. People still can take action. It can start after Pat’s birthday.

Brother and Friend of Pat Tillman,
Kevin Tillman

[micknaboz]

These guys dont read, I already posted that letter in this thread, they could care less. They have their own single minded one issue focus and neither truth nor facts nor sanity will convince them otherwise.

[35Pete]

These guys dont read, I already posted that letter in this thread, they could care less. They have their own single minded one issue focus and neither truth nor facts nor sanity will convince them otherwise.

:rofl:

You should be the last one to say that.

[micknaboz]

:rofl:

You should be the last one to say that.

Republicans walk in lockstep on everything, well at least your representatives have for the past 6 years. Democrats are much more open to dissenting opinions and votes then the repugs.

When you have right leaning wingnuts in this thread essentially saying the family has no right to the truth in the case of their sons death, even the lamest would admit thats wrong. And then they start twisting stuff saying we're attacking Tillman or some other such nonsense, yeah they cant read or dont read very well.

The family deserves the truth, the American people deserve the truth, and in the next two years we are going to finally start seeing a lot of it, God bless America, we're back baby.

:partysmilies:

[Mouldsie]

Can't answer a simple question eh GOPchick?

[ticatfan3]

How come it seems to be one way when Canadian soldiers are involved?

We have lost many Canadian soldiers due to American friendly fire, but I can't think of one American killed by Canadian friendly fire.

Just a little trigger happy are you?Training, our soldiers get the best training there is. Taking nothing from the american soldiers ,but I wonder about their training. It seems to be shoot 1st ask questions later. The last canadian killed by americans ,was by a A-10 wart hog. Our soldeirs were burning trash and got bombed for it. America it seems is getting a little lazy or a little scared. This idea of finding out about some one in a house and instead of sending in soldiers to check it out,you just drop a bomb on it and usally end up wiping out a wedding party or something. You got boots on the ground start using them. The canadians will make great progress with some locals and them the villiage gets whacked by the airforce and all the work we did gets thrown to the wind.People say terrorists are cowards because they hide behind their bombers,well they can say the same about you.

[SpikedLemonade]

Training, our soldiers get the best training there is. Taking nothing from the american soldiers ,but I wonder about their training. It seems to be shoot 1st ask questions later. The last canadian killed by americans ,was by a A-10 wart hog. Our soldeirs were burning trash and got bombed for it. America it seems is getting a little lazy or a little scared. This idea of finding out about some one in a house and instead of sending in soldiers to check it out,you just drop a bomb on it and usally end up wiping out a wedding party or something. You got boots on the ground start using them. The canadians will make great progress with some locals and them the villiage gets whacked by the airforce and all the work we did gets thrown to the wind.People say terrorists are cowards because they hide behind their bombers,well they can say the same about you.

Well said.

Some of the hate towards American troops may be due to how they conduct the war rather than the mere fact they are there.

[ticatfan3]

Well said.

Some of the hate towards American troops may be due to how they conduct the war rather than the mere fact they are there.Poor leadership can ruin any soldier.

[iakona]

These guys dont read, I already posted that letter in this thread, they could care less. They have their own single minded one issue focus and neither truth nor facts nor sanity will convince them otherwise.

Sorry, didn't see you posted it.

Yeah, like Allen Dulles said when asked about the ridiculous Warren Commission Report: "The American People Don't Read."

[iakona]

Republicans walk in lockstep on everything, well at least your representatives have for the past 6 years. Democrats are much more open to dissenting opinions and votes then the repugs.

When you have right leaning wingnuts in this thread essentially saying the family has no right to the truth in the case of their sons death, even the lamest would admit thats wrong. And then they start twisting stuff saying we're attacking Tillman or some other such nonsense, yeah they cant read or dont read very well.

The family deserves the truth, the American people deserve the truth, and in the next two years we are going to finally start seeing a lot of it, God bless America, we're back baby.

:partysmilies:

Not only does the family deserve the truth, they should see the people who knowingly lied to them about the circumstances surrounding his death go to prison.

[iakona]

Poor leadership can ruin any soldier.

Exactly. A fish stinks from the head down!

[uppy]

When a troop gets killed in battle the military does not send home a letter

saying

Dear .......,

Your Son was killed in action by his buddys because thay made a mistake.

O-well better luck next time.

Have a nice day,

General ripper

Or:

Dear......,

Your Son was killed because he was a dumb ass and walked into

a marked mindfield.

O-well better luck next time......



After a loss the military trys to softed the family loss by telling them their

Son died in a honorable way doing his job and helping the men in his unit.