religious right a bunch of crybabies

[nehemiah]

From the country's heartland, voters sent messages that altered America's culture wars and dismayed the religious right - defending abortion rights in South Dakota, endorsing stem cell research in Missouri, and, in a national first, rejecting a same-sex marriage ban in Arizona.

Conservative leaders were jolted by the setbacks and looked for an explanation Wednesday. Gay-rights and abortion-rights activists celebrated.

The verdict on abortion rights was particularly clear. Oregon and California voters defeated measures that would have required parents to be notified before a girl under 18 could get an abortion, and South Dakotans - by a margin of 56 percent to 44 percent - rejected a new state law that would have banned all abortions except to save a pregnant woman's life.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15627022/

haha! :upyours: to the religious freaks.

[Gibby]

careful there neh, but you are correct in this regard. Many of us finally decided that enough is enough for one issue candidates and so we voted for what was best for America and it just so happens that the best turned out to be DNC.

[sukie]

No issue candidates!!!!

[chickie]

I don't think that it is an issue w/religious freaks.

If my daughter (God forbid) ever became pregnant before she was 18, and wanted to have an abortion - I as her mother should be notified. I am her parent and I am responsible for her until she is 18. Her decisions, are my decisions until she is an adult.

If the school is going to notify me if my child cuts class then why shouldn't I be notified if my child is seeking to have an abortion?

[35Pete]

I don't think that it is an issue w/religious freaks.

If my daughter (God forbid) ever became pregnant before she was 18, and wanted to have an abortion - I as her mother should be notified. I am her parent and I am responsible for her until she is 18. Her decisions, are my decisions until she is an adult.

If the school is going to notify me if my child cuts class then why shouldn't I be notified if my child is seeking to have an abortion?

Because advocates of the state want the state to make your parental decisions. You see you are too much of a dim witted boob to raise your children. There are experts at the Dept. of Health and Human Handouts to do it for you.

[deconstruction]

I don't think that it is an issue w/religious freaks.

If my daughter (God forbid) ever became pregnant before she was 18, and wanted to have an abortion - I as her mother should be notified. I am her parent and I am responsible for her until she is 18. Her decisions, are my decisions until she is an adult.

If the school is going to notify me if my child cuts class then why shouldn't I be notified if my child is seeking to have an abortion?

Why, does the school have control over your daughter's body?

[г]

If I park on the right side of the road on Tuesdays and Wednesdays, does that mean the sky is blue ?

[chickie]

Why, does the school have control over your daughter's body?

What?

I have control over her, and if the school is going to contact me if she is not in school, then why shouldn't I be notified if she is seeking to have an abortion?

I have a right as her parent to know everything about her life until she is adult. What is there not to comprehend here?

[nehemiah]

What?

I have control over her, and if the school is going to contact me if she is not in school, then why shouldn't I be notified if she is seeking to have an abortion?

I have a right as her parent to know everything about her life until she is adult. What is there not to comprehend here?what if her daddy is the daddy?

[г]

The school is a public institution. They're compelled to give you information about your (minor) daughter.

If your daughter chooses to go to a private doctor on her own, that's her private business. Obviously you don't have 'control' over her, otherwise why would you need to have the state compel her doctor to share her private mediacal information ?

[chickie]

The school is a public institution. They're compelled to give you information about your (minor) daughter.

If your daughter chooses to go to a private doctor on her own, that's her private business. Obviously you don't have 'control' over her, otherwise why would you need to have the state compel her doctor to share her private mediacal information ?

Because there should be parent consent. A minor does not have rights yet. They can't vote, they can't drive (until they are 16), they can't buy alcohol, but yet they can go seek medical attention without a parental consent?? Makes so much sense......

[г]

Can they go and buy a Big Mac at McDonalds without your consent ?

[TheGoodShepherd]

Because there should be parent consent. A minor does not have rights yet. They can't vote, they can't drive (until they are 16), they can't buy alcohol, but yet they can go seek medical attention without a parental consent?? Makes so much sense......

DING DING DING...hello is anyone home???....think McFly think!....it could be you're wrong about some things. Namely your belief kids don't have "rights yet."

Maybe when you finally free yourself of that idiocy it will make sense to you.

[35Pete]

The school is a public institution. They're compelled to give you information about your (minor) daughter.

If your daughter chooses to go to a private doctor on her own, that's her private business. Obviously you don't have 'control' over her, otherwise why would you need to have the state compel her doctor to share her private mediacal information ?

Please shut up. You live in Canada. A third rate society of pontione chompers. . You have no right discussing American internal policy.

[anEinherjer]

Well... in our society minors are not allowed to enter into contracts without the consent of a legal guardian. I fail to see where the contract to perform medical procedures, no matter what the procedure, should be any different.

I realize what I just wrote is probably not set in stone. Like most things, we fudge the details all over the damn place, which just makes for endless invective. But if we could be consistant for a change... oh well. :P

[Dontdieman]

Because there should be parent consent. A minor does not have rights yet. They can't vote, they can't drive (until they are 16), they can't buy alcohol, but yet they can go seek medical attention without a parental consent?? Makes so much sense......

God forbid if she was raped and got pregnant but because of the law that states you would have to know if she got an abortion you forbid her to get one but the shame of carrying a rape child was to much to bare on her teenage mind that she ended up killing herself and the baby.

But hey you were notified!

[deconstruction]

What?

I have control over her, and if the school is going to contact me if she is not in school, then why shouldn't I be notified if she is seeking to have an abortion?

I have a right as her parent to know everything about her life until she is adult. What is there not to comprehend here?

No, you don't. On either count.

[uppy]

what if her daddy is the daddy?

Stuff like that only happens in philadelphia.

Try to have an open mind to the rest of the country my king

:)


life is good

[35Pete]

DING DING DING...hello is anyone home???....think McFly think!....it could be you're wrong about some things. Namely your belief kids don't have "rights yet."

Maybe when you finally free yourself of that idiocy it will make sense to you.
Let me ask you are serious question Shiva. Emergency or immediate medical care is one thing. But why are you lumping that in with an abortion for a minor? I am pro-choice. But for adults. The parents should decide for the minor.

[Dontdieman]

Please shut up. You live in Canada. A third rate society of pontione chompers. . You have no right discussing American internal policy.

over the line Pete

http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/24890584/252914

[35Pete]

over the line Pete

No it wasn't. In fact I am too nice.

[uppy]

No, you don't. On either count.


Wrong.

[anEinherjer]

God forbid if she was raped and got pregnant but because of the law that states you would have to know if she got an abortion you forbid her to get one but the shame of carrying a rape child was to much to bare on her teenage mind that she ended up killing herself and the baby.

But hey you were notified!

Hey, one less welfare kid. :D

[г]

Please shut up. You live in Canada. A third rate society of pontione chompers. . You have no right discussing American internal policy.

We got over this issue @ 20 years ago in Canada.

It's funny to watch you so-called conservatives eat your young over this.

[Dontdieman]

Hey, one less welfare kid. :D

I like to see you make that joke to a rape victims face


but you wouldn't because your a coward

[uppy]

We got over this issue @ 20 years ago in Canada.

YUP, and canada is a second rate country...your point is ?

[Dontdieman]

No it wasn't. In fact I am too nice.

baby need a diaper change?

[35Pete]

baby need a diaper change?

Why, did you shit your huggies?

[Dontdieman]

Why, did you shit your huggies?

You wear the Diapers. Ive upgraded to pull ups....comes with taking the senate

[anEinherjer]

Dude, ****in' settle down. Joke.

Some people....

[35Pete]

You wear the Diapers. Ive upgraded to pull ups....comes with taking the senate

That's pretty sad.

Your esteem boils down to who has control of the senate.
My esteem boils down to what I am doing with my life.

Try it. It's much more fullfilling.

This is kinda cool. There is much more joke material with the dems then the reps.

[Dontdieman]

That's pretty sad.

Your esteem boils down to who has control of the senate.
My esteem boils down to what I am doing with my life.

Try it. It's much more fullfilling.

This is kinda cool. There is much more joke material with the dems then the reps.

looks like some ones hot under the collar.....poor baby pete.

You'lll probally die before I will so I could care less what you do with your life.

Need your binky?

[chickie]

DING DING DING...hello is anyone home???....think McFly think!....it could be you're wrong about some things. Namely your belief kids don't have "rights yet."

Maybe when you finally free yourself of that idiocy it will make sense to you.

Don't DING DING me!

I will say this for the last time. As a parent (a responsible parent) I should be notified for any type of medical procedure that is being done on my child.

What if the child has reactions to different types of medications that are being used and the minor does not notify the doctor accordingly and something terrible goes wrong with the procedure? Then what?

An adult has the right to the privacy laws - they are not adults.

[nehemiah]

:popcorn:

this thread got ****ing awesome really quickly.

[JLB]

That's pretty sad.

Your esteem boils down to who has control of the senate.
My esteem boils down to what I am doing with my life.

Try it. It's much more fullfilling.

This is kinda cool. There is much more joke material with the dems then the reps.


Thats my feeling exactly this should be pretty entertaining.

[Dontdieman]

Don't DING DING me!

I will say this for the last time. As a parent (a responsible parent) I should be notified for any type of medical procedure that is being done on my child.

What if the child has reactions to different types of medications that are being used and the minor does not notify the doctor accordingly and something terrible goes wrong with the procedure? Then what?

An adult has the right to the privacy laws - they are not adults.

you had to dig deep for that one.

and even If a minor you can still give consent to your doctor or a doctor for that matter to access your medical records so the allergic thing kinda sorts it self out.

[JLB]

Don't DING DING me!

I will say this for the last time. As a parent (a responsible parent) I should be notified for any type of medical procedure that is being done on my child.

What if the child has reactions to different types of medications that are being used and the minor does not notify the doctor accordingly and something terrible goes wrong with the procedure? Then what?

An adult has the right to the privacy laws - they are not adults.

You go girl !!!

[35Pete]

looks like some ones hot under the collar.....poor baby pete.

You'lll probally die before I will so I could care less what you do with your life.

Need your binky?

Yeah but as a stockholder I own some of corporate America that is oppressing you.

I'll die before you perhaps. But I get my pound of flesh (via exploitation of you and profit) on a daily basis.

[Dontdieman]

Thats my feeling exactly this should be pretty entertaining.

I love this. they get backed into a corner and they pull out the "holier than our thou" card

now their retort will probably go somthing like this

"You didnt bac me into a corner you too stupid we all know high taxes will be the death of us god forbid we would have to pay back what we take out I gotta be those god damn black on welfare all the time sucking up our tax dollars"

Please you guys ****ing suck.

[35Pete]

I love this. they get backed into a corner and they pull out the "holier than our thou" card

now their retort will probably go somthing like this

"You didnt bac me into a corner you too stupid we all know high taxes will be the death of us god forbid we would have to pay back what we take out I gotta be those god damn black on welfare all the time sucking up our tax dollars"

Please you guys ****ing suck.

You'll understand once you start paying taxes.

[Dontdieman]

Yeah but as a stockholder I own some of corporate America that is oppressing you.

I'll die before you perhaps. But I get my pound of flesh (via exploitation of you and profit) on a daily basis.

you wish that where true.

explain how corprate america is oppressing me. would you Pete?

[chickie]

you had to dig deep for that one.

and even If a minor you can still give consent to your doctor or a doctor for that matter to access your medical records so the allergic thing kinda sorts it self out.

Who is digging deep now?

[Dontdieman]

Who is digging deep now?

hahaha your weak

[chickie]

hahaha your weak

No I am having to deal with a child himself, and I am done trying to rationalize with an irrational person who knows nothing about being a parent.

Minors do not have rights, and that is a FACT.

[uppy]

No I am having to deal with a child himself, and I am done trying to rationalize with an irrational person who knows nothing about being a parent.

Minors do not have rights, and that is a FACT.

Thank you !

[Dontdieman]

No I am having to deal with a child himself, and I am done trying to rationalize with an irrational person who knows nothing about being a parent.

Minors do not have rights, and that is a FACT.

its ok when ever I make a good point its easy to say that immature and know nothing

But one thing you are right about is Im am not a parent.

I know you care about your kids more than anything in the world but would you throw you daughters heath/mental heath under the bus because your church/politician tells you so?

if you had to make a choice I don't think you would.

thats all Im saying

[г]

Minors do not have rights, and that is a FACT.

Apparently they do. In Canada, California and other (reality-based) locales around the globe.

You're just in denial.

[Ralonzo]

what if her daddy is the daddy?

Why aren't you writing novels like Jim Webb?

[K-Gun]

Why aren't you writing novels like Jim Webb?

Yeah, that smear worked :upyours:

[35Pete]

you wish that where true.

explain how corprate america is oppressing me. would you Pete?

The profits, which in a uptopian society would be redistributed to you workers, are going into my pocket.

You work your ass off, I sit on my ass, and I get the profits.

That's the right way for things to happen.

Smart vs. stupid. I've heard that somewhere around here I think.

[K-Gun]

The profits, which in a uptopian society would be redistributed to you workers, are going into my pocket.

You work your ass off, I sit on my ass, and I get the profits.

That's the right way for things to happen.

Smart vs. stupid. I've heard that somewhere around here I think.

:rolleyes2 You don't have a clue. There isn't a single elected democrat who believes in utopia, stop lying it is getting old.

[chickie]

its ok when ever I make a good point its easy to say that immature and know nothing

But one thing you are right about is Im am not a parent.

I know you care about your kids more than anything in the world but would you throw you daughters heath/mental heath under the bus because your church/politician tells you so?

if you had to make a choice I don't think you would.

thats all Im saying

That is just it. You made no point, and now you are backing down.

I am not throwing my child under the bus because I am wanting to be notified of any type of medical procedure being done on her. I am trying to protect her and making sure she is recieving the best medical coverage. Because I care.

[Dontdieman]

The profits, which in a uptopian society would be redistributed to you workers, are going into my pocket.

You work your ass off, I sit on my ass, and I get the profits.

That's the right way for things to happen.

Smart vs. stupid. I've heard that somewhere around here I think.

hate to break to ya I make damn good money for my age.

see but when your self proclaimed own kind ****s you over by selling thier stock before it crashes and your left with nothing then it will be smart vs stupid

But dont get mad pete mommys getting your binky

[nehemiah]

Why aren't you writing novels like Jim Webb?:rofl:

i did just read The Immoralist.

:dunno:

[35Pete]

I love this. they get backed into a corner and they pull out the "holier than our thou" card

now their retort will probably go somthing like this

"You didnt bac me into a corner you too stupid we all know high taxes will be the death of us god forbid we would have to pay back what we take out I gotta be those god damn black on welfare all the time sucking up our tax dollars"

Please you guys ****ing suck.

I never pull out the "the holier than thou card"

Don't need to. It is an exitentenial reality.

[35Pete]

hate to break to ya I make damn good money for my age.

see but when your self proclaimed own kind ****s you over by selling thier stock before it crashes and your left with nothing then it will be smart vs stupid

But dont get mad pete mommys getting your binky

Your mommy's not getting anything from me. Before I die I am donating my estate to the Colorado Militia.

[Ralonzo]

If you watch the episode of Futurama on Cartoon Network right now, you'll be a crybaby too. The ending is ... well... you cant describe it. The saddest cartoon ever.

:(

[sukie]

Their isn't a single elected democrat who believes in utopia, stop lying it is getting old.

Of course they do. You work 30 hours a week. Maybe you are not too retarded and the company values the fact that you have your drooling problem in check. They pay you $8.50 an hour. Now if Pete wasn't suckling the profits... giggling at his statement while taking a shit, You might be offered health insurance and a couple more bucks an hour... even not at full time. That would be Utopian.

By giving you governmental Healthcare... the Utopia is almost realized. You are thankful and dependent now... "I could never vote against this party... They take care of me" (the recurring thought in your head)

[Dontdieman]

If you watch the episode of Futurama on Cartoon Network right now, you'll be a crybaby too. The ending is ... well... you cant describe it. The saddest cartoon ever.

:(

never mind I understand what youre saying

[Ralonzo]

never mind I understand what youre saying

It repeats at 2. I'm trying to get through the ep at least once without the manly end-of-Gladiator tear in the corner of my eye. Just so I can prove to myself that I'm a callous and heartless conservative piece of crap like everybody says I am.

[Dontdieman]

It repeats at 2. I'm trying to get through the ep at least once without the manly end-of-Gladiator tear in the corner of my eye. Just so I can prove to myself that I'm a callous and heartless conservative piece of crap like everybody says I am.

whatevers clever man.

[K-Gun]

Of course they do. You work 30 hours a week. Maybe you are not too retarded and the company values the fact that you have your drooling problem in check. They pay you $8.50 an hour. Now if Pete wasn't suckling the profits... giggling at his statement while taking a shit, You might be offered health insurance and a couple more bucks an hour... even not at full time. That would be Utopian.

By giving you governmental Healthcare... the Utopia is almost realized. You are thankful and dependent now... "I could never vote against this party... They take care of me" (the recurring thought in your head)

You don't get it at all. not one bit. But even if I tried for years to make you see how I see things, it wouldn't happen. And, I'm not even talking about getting you to agree with me, I just talking about getting you to understand why I think the way I do. ANd it's not because my thoughts are "deep," it's because you refuse to listen.

[Mouldsie]

That's pretty sad.

Your esteem boils down to who has control of the senate.
My esteem boils down to what I am doing with my life.

Try it. It's much more fullfilling.

This is kinda cool. There is much more joke material with the dems then the reps.

If I were psycho-analyzing this post I'd say it's sour grapes and a little bit of projection which is a natural reaction to seeing your team lose.

But of course I dont do that.... psycho babble is nonsense anyway

[35Pete]

If I were psycho-analyzing this post I'd say it's sour grapes and a little bit of projection which is a natural reaction to seeing your team lose.

But of course I dont do that.... psycho babble is nonsense anyway

I'm glad the congress changed hands.

Might cause the republican party to reform.

[35Pete]

BTW JK.

My two favorite presidents of all time, Reagan and Kennedy, would have found it unbecoming and beneath America to have a Gitmo-like operation.

I am sure they are still rolling in their graves right now.

[Meathead]

i dont think i want someone who gleefully fleeced their ex making important decisions for a child

[35Pete]

i dont think i want someone who gleefully fleeced their ex making important decisions for a child

That's not cool.

And you don't want????

Show me one flawless person besides myself? (heee heee) One?

If that's the case then the state should be making all of our decisions. Because you can always find a lot of people that don't agree with someone else's parental views.

Tell you what. We'll vote on it. Democracy!!! Majority rules.

Yipppeeee!

[anEinherjer]

Nice to see the thread's resident minor couldn't respond to me and doesn't understand message board humor. Oh well, maybe when he reaches majority status he'll get it.

[nehemiah]

poop.

[chickie]

i dont think i want someone who gleefully fleeced their ex making important decisions for a child

Was this suppose to be an insult?

[Cornellian]

Uhh, cool. Well, this thread is pretty awesome, I guess. I love ad hominem attacks. But I wouldn't mind getting back to the point of the thread, which it looks like was the discussion of parental notification on abortions.

Can't believe nobody's touched this one yet...

Because advocates of the state want the state to make your parental decisions. You see you are too much of a dim witted boob to raise your children. There are experts at the Dept. of Health and Human Handouts to do it for you.

Pete, you're a smart guy, and I'm glad you're against the idea of the state inserting itself into the nuclear family. Which, of course, is exactly why you should have been against this ballot initiative. Why your posts seem to support it is beyond me, as the dialogue is contrary to this (perfectly valid) philosophical notion you've expressed that the government should absolve itself of the affairs of the nuclear family.

Without the initiative passing, the status quo is preserved, which, to the best of my knowledge, does not involve "advocates of the state making your parental decisions", or at least not unnecessary decisions. But in a world where this bill is passed, there is necessarily more governmental interference, as the state would enforce a positive requirement on the parents to be notified of an abortion.

So unless you can show that not forcing girls under 18 to disclose and discuss abortions with parents equates to the government making your parental decisions, I think your mired in a bit of a contradiction between your philosophy and your view of the pragmatic benefits of the initiative.

The government isn't making the decisions for parents simply by offering abortions, nor is it making decisions for parents by making parental disclosure voluntary. All of these decisions still rest with the daughter, not the government.

Well... in our society minors are not allowed to enter into contracts without the consent of a legal guardian. I fail to see where the contract to perform medical procedures, no matter what the procedure, should be any different.

This is a really intelligent point. If the infancy standard was interpreted in a general sense, this would render the ballot initiative moot. But as you've said, in spite of the infancy standard in contract law, businessses still transact with minors on a regular basis. It would be stupid for a business to refuse to transact with a willing minor who wanted to make a burger purchase, for instance. I don't think society recognizes the explicit illegality of such a transaction (nor should we), but it is recognized that all of the burdens and liabilities of the transaction rest on the party who transacts with the minor.

This is why there's the need for special legislation. To delineate what minors should not be able to purchase at their young age, of course, but more importantly to eliminate, or at least mitigate, the potentially overwhelming burden on the elder members of society who choose to transact with the minor.

Okay, I'm done. You guys can get back to calling each other names now. :)

[nehemiah]

you're stupid.



:D

[Cornellian]

Your mom! :D

[JoeMama]

[I]From the country's heartland, voters sent messages that altered America's culture wars and dismayed the religious right - defending abortion rights in South Dakota, endorsing stem cell research in Missouri, and, in a national first, rejecting a same-sex marriage ban in Arizona.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15627022/

haha! :upyours: to the religious freaks.

What the ****?

A red state rejected a ban on gay marriage?

Wow.

Props to the people of Arizona for standing up for 14th amendment & treating gay people like equal citizens.

[ICRockets]

Minors do not have rights, and that is a FACT.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! !!!!!


Ok, ok, I see how it is. You have rights when you are conceived, but as soon as you're too old to abort (what, roughly 6 months?) you lose those rights until you're 18.

Kind of like one of those free previews of the sports packages on Time Warner Cable, is it?

[chickie]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! !!!!!


Ok, ok, I see how it is. You have rights when you are conceived, but as soon as you're too old to abort (what, roughly 6 months?) you lose those rights until you're 18.

Kind of like one of those free previews of the sports packages on Time Warner Cable, is it?

Yes, quick put a spin on it.

How is that you people can twist things around?

We are talking about MINORS having abortions or other medical procedures w/out having parental consent.

We are not talking about whether abortions are murder or not. 2 different issuse and you should not intertwine the 2.

Yes we all out here know how I feel about abortions.

A parent has the right to be a part of making any kind of medical procedure with their child, and for the medical system to protect the childs privacy rights, but does not protect them while in the womb?? - wow that makes a lot of sense there doesn't it?

Yes minors have rights, but for the most part they have to have their parents consent, but not when it comes to a life threatening issue.

[sukie]

If you can't buy Liqour and cigarettes until legal age... shouldn't be able to get an abortion without parental consent.

[JoeMama]

Ok, ok, I see how it is. You have rights when you are conceived, but as soon as you're too old to abort (what, roughly 6 months?) you lose those rights until you're 18.

As a guy who absolutely detests children, I actually agree that kids shouldn't have rights.

They're property until the age of 18 & should be treated as such.

Not only should abortion be legal across the board, but I think abortion should be applicable up until the "fetus" is 18 years old.

That way, if your kid is a bitter disappointment you can abort him/her before you set the kid loose on society.

Besides, children are idiots. What a bunch of little shits -- running around with candy-coated, grubby little hands, spilling punch everywhere, all hyperactive from watching crappy cartoons all day. Little bastards.

[Ru]

As a guy who absolutely detests children, I actually agree that kids shouldn't have rights.

They're property until the age of 18 & should be treated as such.

Not only should abortion be legal across the board, but I think abortion should be applicable up until the "fetus" is 18 years old.

That way, if your kid is a bitter disappointment, you can abort him/her before you set the kid loose on society.

Besides, children are idiots. What a bunch of little shits, running around everywhere with candy-coated, grubby little hands, spilling punch everywhere, all hyperactive from watching crappy cartoons all day.

Hey, thank you for making me feel much better about myself for having those same exact thoughts and being mostly repulsed by children in general. It's at least good knowing I'm not alone in being a bad human being.

[JLB]

Hey, thank you for making me feel much better about myself for having those same exact thoughts and being mostly repulsed by children in general. It's at least good knowing I'm not alone in being a bad human being.


:FBH: :FBH: :wxp:

[ICRockets]

Yes, quick put a spin on it.

How is that you people can twist things around?

We are talking about MINORS having abortions or other medical procedures w/out having parental consent.

We are not talking about whether abortions are murder or not. 2 different issuse and you should not intertwine the 2.

Yes we all out here know how I feel about abortions.

A parent has the right to be a part of making any kind of medical procedure with their child, and for the medical system to protect the childs privacy rights, but does not protect them while in the womb?? - wow that makes a lot of sense there doesn't it?

Yes minors have rights, but for the most part they have to have their parents consent, but not when it comes to a life threatening issue.

The way I see it, it should not be up to the government to tell a teenager that she needs to tell her parents about her abortion. It should be up to the parent to foster a healthy, loving, trusting environment for their daughter, so that she feels that she can come to you with such a potentially traumatic situation.

You seem to have such a relationship with your children, so I don't think you should be entirely concerned. I think that- God forbid- should the day come when your daugther has to have an abortion, that she will tell you because she trusts you. And that's how it should be.

But what about the times when there is no trust? Are we really advocating that the government should tell a parent with violent tendencies that their daughter had sex with some guy and was dumb enough to get pregnant? Really? Alright, sir, after you're finished beating the kid out of her I guess she won't need a medical procedure. To each his own, eh?

And my big concern is that this is probably going to happen a great deal if anybody actually passes this shitty proposal. My guess is that there's probably a pretty common inverse corrolation between underage girls needing abortions and quality parenting. Just a hunch. Call it cynical if you want, but it sounds like it's probably right to me.

[JoeMama]

Hey, thank you for making me feel much better about myself for having those same exact thoughts and being mostly repulsed by children in general. It's at least good knowing I'm not alone in being a bad human being.

Nothing brings the world together like mutual hatred.

I detest children with a really bizarre, unapologetic passion.

Here's hoping God doesn't punish me with children of my own.

Because I'm locking those little shits in a basement while I play video games all day. They can wrestle the rats for the scraps I throw down on occassion.

[sukie]

Vasectomy rocks. Wild crazy sex without that burden of worry over your head.

[ICRockets]

Nothing brings the world together like mutual hatred.

I detest children with a really bizarre, unapologetic passion.

Here's hoping God doesn't punish me with a family of my own.

If he tries, you know how to fix that. ;)

[JLB]

Nothing brings the world together like mutual hatred.

I detest children with a really bizarre, unapologetic passion.

Here's hoping God doesn't punish me with children of my own.

Because I'm locking those little shits in a basement while I play video games all day. They can wrestle the rats for the scraps I throw down on occassion.


Get em lifted is my best advice.

[ICRockets]

As a guy who absolutely detests children, I actually agree that kids shouldn't have rights.

They're property until the age of 18 & should be treated as such.

Not only should abortion be legal across the board, but I think abortion should be applicable up until the "fetus" is 18 years old.

That way, if your kid is a bitter disappointment you can abort him/her before you set the kid loose on society.

Besides, children are idiots. What a bunch of little shits -- running around with candy-coated, grubby little hands, spilling punch everywhere, all hyperactive from watching crappy cartoons all day. Little bastards.

To be fair, I still spill punch and watch crappy cartoons.

Only now it's because the punch has vodka in it and my brain has pot in it.

[JoeMama]

Vasectomy rocks. Wild crazy sex without that burden of worry over your head.

I asked my doctor about a vasectomy when I was like 22 or 23. He shot me this puzzled expression & said that no ethical doctor in their right mind would perform such an operation at my age.

Which was a crushing & bitter realization to accept.

There's no way I'll ever change my mind about children. I'm now in my mid 20's & I hate kids even more now than I did back then.

Plus, I can't stand condoms. Irresponsible as it is.

[Ru]

Well, what sucks is that when I got married my wife was even more for not having children than I was. Now, she is bringing it up quite often as a possibility and obviously friends and family make us feel like lepers for not really wanting kids. I just don't think I'd make a good dad because when my brother or my wife's brother bring their kids over to the house, I just feel like tearing my eyeballs out of my head until they leave and then I have to take a few shots of Cuervo to relax again. Besides that, I'm just a selfish, lazy ***** so kids maybe should be out of the equation for me.

[mrliberty]

The way I see it, it should not be up to the government to tell a teenager that she needs to tell her parents about her abortion. It should be up to the parent to foster a healthy, loving, trusting environment for their daughter, so that she feels that she can come to you with such a potentially traumatic situation.

You seem to have such a relationship with your children, so I don't think you should be entirely concerned. I think that- God forbid- should the day come when your daugther has to have an abortion, that she will tell you because she trusts you. And that's how it should be.

But what about the times when there is no trust? Are we really advocating that the government should tell a parent with violent tendencies that their daughter had sex with some guy and was dumb enough to get pregnant? Really? Alright, sir, after you're finished beating the kid out of her I guess she won't need a medical procedure. To each his own, eh?

And my big concern is that this is probably going to happen a great deal if anybody actually passes this shitty proposal. My guess is that there's probably a pretty common inverse corrolation between underage girls needing abortions and quality parenting. Just a hunch. Call it cynical if you want, but it sounds like it's probably right to me.

AMEN -- I agree 100% with this post. GOPchick doesn't know what she is talking about. Every individual should be able to make their own decision. And if you are old enough to make the decision to have sex, well then, you should be old enough to decide what to do if you get pregnant. What ever that decision is, you are the one who has to live with it, not anyone else!!

[JoeMama]

To be fair, I still spill punch and watch crappy cartoons.

Only now it's because the punch has vodka in it and my brain has pot in it.

LOL!

Look, I love cartoons. The only non-cartoons I watch are Arrested Development, Daily Show, Colbert Report, & occassionally cable news.

But children's cartoons were better when I was a kid.

[JLB]

To be fair, I still spill punch and watch crappy cartoons.

Only now it's because the punch has vodka in it and my brain has pot in it.


This is progress you'll be very successful.

May I also suggest you get em lifted.

Do you want a family and kids or no?

If so pay no attention to the suggestion.

IC why bother with the punch?

[JLB]

Well, what sucks is that when I got married my wife was even more for not having children than I was. Now, she is bringing it up quite often as a possibility and obviously friends and family make us feel like lepers for not really wanting kids. I just don't think I'd make a good dad because when my brother or my wife's brother bring their kids over to the house, I just feel like tearing my eyeballs out of my head until they leave and then I have to take a few shots of Cuervo to relax again. Besides that, I'm just a selfish, lazy ***** so kids maybe should be out of the equation for me.


DID YOU SAY MAYBE LOL!!

[JoeMama]

Well, what sucks is that when I got married my wife was even more for not having children than I was. Now, she is bringing it up quite often as a possibility and obviously friends and family make us feel like lepers for not really wanting kids. I just don't think I'd make a good dad because when my brother or my wife's brother bring their kids over to the house, I just feel like tearing my eyeballs out of my head until they leave and then I have to take a few shots of Cuervo to relax again. Besides that, I'm just a selfish, lazy ***** so kids maybe should be out of the equation for me.

LOL!

That about sums it up for me as well.

I mean, granted, I'm not married. In fact, I had to end a three year relationship due to the fact that this long-time girlfriend wanted children & started bugging me about it.

Plus, I'm a big fan of selfish hedonism.

I like my alone time, I enjoy the self-indulgance of my personal life, & I like not being beholden to the excessive amount of responsibility that children require.

[ICRockets]

This is progress you'll be very successful.

May I also suggest you get em lifted.

Do you want a family and kids or no?

If so pay no attention to the suggestion.

IC why bother with the punch?

Haha I bother with the punch because I make the best punch ever.

Gets you way drunker than beer can, primarily because you don't taste the alcohol whatsoever, thus you keep drinking.

[JLB]

Haha I bother with the punch because I make the best punch ever.

Gets you way drunker than beer can, primarily because you don't taste the alcohol whatsoever, thus you keep drinking.

Great news and you still know more about the Bills than Shiva.

I threw that in for his reading pleasure you already knew it.

Kick ass IC but please give the others a chance.

Enjoy reading all your posts how's college going?

[chickie]

The way I see it, it should not be up to the government to tell a teenager that she needs to tell her parents about her abortion. It should be up to the parent to foster a healthy, loving, trusting environment for their daughter, so that she feels that she can come to you with such a potentially traumatic situation.

You seem to have such a relationship with your children, so I don't think you should be entirely concerned. I think that- God forbid- should the day come when your daugther has to have an abortion, that she will tell you because she trusts you. And that's how it should be.

But what about the times when there is no trust? Are we really advocating that the government should tell a parent with violent tendencies that their daughter had sex with some guy and was dumb enough to get pregnant? Really? Alright, sir, after you're finished beating the kid out of her I guess she won't need a medical procedure. To each his own, eh?

And my big concern is that this is probably going to happen a great deal if anybody actually passes this shitty proposal. My guess is that there's probably a pretty common inverse corrolation between underage girls needing abortions and quality parenting. Just a hunch. Call it cynical if you want, but it sounds like it's probably right to me.

I will be back to respond to this. I don't have enough time right now to respond.

[deconstruction]

Wrong.

You a) obviously don't know much about children, and b) are incorrect. The first thing a teenager will do is prove to you how little control over them you have. And frankly, its appropriate in some ways.

[dasaybz]

Many girls under the age of 18 want to get abortions so their parents don't find out. I don't think it's right, but it happens all the time.

[JLB]

You a) obviously don't know much about children, and b) are incorrect. The first thing a teenager will do is prove to you how little control over them you have. And frankly, its appropriate in some ways.

The time you spend with your children prior to being teenagers is the key.
If you ship em off here and there without your love and attention being given spells trouble for them and you eventually. Parenting is a full time job if you can't provide that you should skip it.

[Mouldsie]

Little Kids are awesome Joe and Ru. You guys are CRAZZYYYYY

[JLB]

Little Kids are awesome Joe and Ru. You guys are CRAZZYYYYY

Your right they are.

[Ru]

To each his own. Why does it make me crazy?

[dasaybz]

To each his own. Why does it make me crazy?

You are crazy because we say you are.

:)

[Mouldsie]

You are crazy because we say you are.

:)

+1

.

[Ru]

I wouldn't mind kids if I could get one when it was about 12.

[TRIPLE P]

As a nation, our best bet is to force Dr's to notify the parents of abortions on minors. That way they'll be scared to go to legit Dr's for abortion and my backyard garage abortion clinic will finally take off..... I'm offering 2 for 1 right now, and I have a "lunch punch" system..... if you show up less than 3 months pregnant between 11-3 you get a punch card...... 5th ones free.

[sukie]

What will be the rules under socialized medicine? Free abortions for all?

[TRIPLE P]

What will be the rules under socialized medicine? Free abortions for all?

Not at my shop.....

[JoeMama]

I wouldn't mind kids if I could get one when it was about 12.

Not me.

I'd only be OK with it if a kid started out as a 25 y/o with his/her own apartment.

[dasaybz]

Not me.

I'd only be OK with it if a kid started out as a 25 y/o with his/her own apartment.

How come you don't like kids Joe?

I'm just curious.

[sukie]

Not at my shop.....

You will not prosper unless you join the collective.

[Ru]

Not me.

I'd only be OK with it if a kid started out as a 25 y/o with his/her own apartment.


:rofl:

[JoeMama]

How come you don't like kids Joe?

I'm just curious.

(1) I have the temperament of a crotchety old man.

(2) Everything about children annoys me. They way they look, the way they sound, the shit they do, etc.

(3) Above all else, I hate when parents tell me inane stories about their children under the misguided impression that the stupid shit their kids do is cute or amusing.

"Yesterday, little Jimmy was so funny. OMG, he said pasketti instead of spaghetti! LOL!"

(4) It's mostly stupid people that are breeding.

[Mouldsie]

man.... if anything i'd pass on the teen years not the baby and child years....

but Ru you could adopt a 12 year old kid and he or she would be so grateful that they were taken it at that age they'll practically be your slave.... and if you get a smart one they'll make a lot of money for you when you retire.

[Ru]

(1) I have the temperament of a crotchety old man.

(2) Everything about children annoys me. They way they look, the way they sound, the shit they do, etc.

Plus, it's mostly stupid people who are breeding.

Yes, they are like miniature mentally deranged retarded people getting into and breaking my shit, spilling stuff all over the place, and generally driving me insane. I don't know; I thought I would grow out of it, but I haven't yet.

[dasaybz]

(1) I have the temperament of a crotchety old man.

(2) Everything about children annoys me. They way they look, the way they sound, the shit they do, etc.

(3) Above all else, I hate when parents tell me inane stories about their children under the misguided impression that the stupid shit their kids do is cute or amusing.

"Yesterday, little Jimmy was so funny. OMG, he said pasketti instead of spaghetti! LOL!"

(4) It's mostly stupid people that are breeding.

I applaud your honesty man.

Do you have plans to have children at all?

Because, I'll tell you what. I have no patience at all, and after my daughter was born, it just totally changed my outlook on everything.

[dasaybz]

man.... if anything i'd pass on the teen years not the baby and child years....

but Ru you could adopt a 12 year old kid and he or she would be so grateful that they were taken it at that age they'll practically be your slave.... and if you get a smart one they'll make a lot of money for you when you retire.

hahahahah

[JoeMama]

I applaud your honesty man.

Do you have plans to have children at all?

Because, I'll tell you what. I have no patience at all, and after my daughter was born, it just totally changed my outlook on everything.

My condolences.

And no, I have no plans whatsoever to have children.

Like I said previously in this thread, I've ended relationships where marriage was a possibility over disagreements about having children.

[JLB]

man.... if anything i'd pass on the teen years not the baby and child years....

but Ru you could adopt a 12 year old kid and he or she would be so grateful that they were taken it at that age they'll practically be your slave.... and if you get a smart one they'll make a lot of money for you when you retire.


Is there such a thing as +12?

[rob on the job]

(1) I have the temperament of a crotchety old man.

(2) Everything about children annoys me. They way they look, the way they sound, the shit they do, etc.

(3) Above all else, I hate when parents tell me inane stories about their children under the misguided impression that the stupid shit their kids do is cute or amusing.

"Yesterday, little Jimmy was so funny. OMG, he said pasketti instead of spaghetti! LOL!"

(4) It's mostly stupid people that are breeding.


Pedophobia: An abnormal and persistent fear of babies and children. Sufferers experience anxiety even though they realize their fear is groundless. Rearing a child or being around active children can both produce anxiety.

Fortunately, there's hope for you yet, Mr. Mama. (http://www.changethatsrightnow.com/problem_detail.asp?SDID=565:1765)

[JoeMama]

Pedophobia: An abnormal and persistent fear of babies and children. Sufferers experience anxiety even though they realize their fear is groundless. Rearing a child or being around active children can both produce anxiety.

Fortunately, there's hope for you yet, Mr. Mama. (http://www.changethatsrightnow.com/problem_detail.asp?SDID=565:1765)

http://www.sientelo.net/wp-content/seymourskinner.gif

Am I so out of touch?

No. It's the children who are wrong.

[JoeMama]

Plus, the REAL fear that all of this centers around is what I said before...

(3) Above all else, I hate when parents tell me inane stories about their children under the misguided impression that the stupid shit their kids do is cute or amusing.

"Yesterday, little Jimmy was so funny. OMG, he said pasketti instead of spaghetti! LOL!"

I don't want to be "that guy" at the office. Mr. Dad who regales everyone with inane kid stories.

[Ru]

Plus, the REAL fear that all of this centers around is what I said before...

(3) Above all else, I hate when parents tell me inane stories about their children under the misguided impression that the stupid shit their kids do is cute or amusing.

"Yesterday, little Jimmy was so funny. OMG, he said pasketti instead of spaghetti! LOL!"

I don't want to be "that guy" at the office. Mr. Dad who regales everyone with inane kid stories.

Reminded me of a bit by Carlin where he was railing against people who put bumper stickers on their car saying they are the proud parents of an honor student at Bum**** Junior High School or whatever.

Suggested bumper sticker: “We are the Proud Parents of a Child Whose Self-Esteem is Sufficient that He Doesn’t Need Us Advertising His Minor Scholastic Achievements on the Bumper of Our Car.”

[dasaybz]

My condolences.

And no, I have no plans whatsoever to have children.

Like I said previously in this thread, I've ended relationships where marriage was a possibility over disagreements about having children.

Sorry, but I don't want your condolences, and I don't even think you're funny in the least bit.

I was trying to have a decent talk with you, and you give me condolences on being a new parent?

Real classy man.

[pmoon6]

Your mommy's not getting anything from me. Before I die I am donating my estate to the Colorado Militia.Kudos Pete. We can use every cent. The arsenal is almost complete. Two of our members have gotten their FFL and have purchased a few fully automatic weapons. Another has a Barrett .50 cal. We have a Blue press for reloading, so that cuts down on ammo cost. If you really do chose to donate your estate, we will hold special survival training sessions in your honor, put your likeness on our flag, and make "Remember Pete" our rallying cry.

[JoeMama]

Reminded me of a bit by Carlin where he was railing against people who put bumper stickers on their car saying they are the proud parents of an honor student at Bum**** Junior High School or whatever.

LOL!

Haven't seen that.

David Cross did a pretty good take on it too.

It's on that CD "It's not funny."

[dasaybz]

Parents bragging about their kids is like a guy bragging about his golf game, or some schmuck at work bragging about his fantasy football team.

[JoeMama]

Sorry, but I don't want your condolences, and I don't even think you're funny in the least bit.

I was trying to have a decent talk with you, and you give me condolences on being a new parent?

Real classy man.

Sensitive, a little?

I was obviously joking when I said, "My condolences."

Take it how you want, I guess.

[pmoon6]

Personally, I think everyone under the age of 25 should be euthanized.

[dasaybz]

Sensitive, a little?

I was obviously joking when I said, "My condolences."

Take it how you want, I guess.

I guess I didn't get the joke.

[dasaybz]

Personally, I think everyone under the age of 25 should be euthanized.

:smileymob:

[TRIPLE P]

Personally, I think everyone under the age of 25 should be euthanized.

Yyyyyyeeeeesssss!!!!!

[rob on the job]

Personally, I think everyone under the age of 25 should be euthanized.

I'd settle for the guys being neutered.

[pmoon6]

Yyyyyyeeeeesssss!!!!!Sorry, 26.:D

[rob on the job]

Sorry, 26.:D

Starting with the Ohio State fans.

[dasaybz]

Starting with the Ohio State fans.

That live in tree houses

[JoeMama]

I'd settle for the guys being neutered.

You must have a daughter!

[rob on the job]

You must have a daughter!

Well, I'd answer you ... but then of course I would just have to tell you the cutest thing she did just the other day ...

[JoeMama]

Well, I'd answer you ... but then of course I would just have to tell you the cutest thing she did just the other day ...

Well, then thankyou for your restraint.

I don't know how I'd deal with a daughter.

I'd probably get pissed off everytime some hormone driven, pimpled up, teenaged dweeb showed up at the door to take her out.

Have you run into that problem yet?

[rob on the job]

... I don't know how I'd deal with a daughter.

I'd probably get pissed off everytime some hormone driven, pimpled up, teenaged dweeb showed up at the door to take her out.

Have you run into that problem yet?

Yep.

The Evil 12-Year-Old has a boyfriend who, after six months, I am just beginning to acknowledge with more than a grunt.

On the other hand, her girlfriends are beginning to look, you know, hot ...

[JoeMama]

On the other hand, her girlfriends are beginning to look, you know, hot ...

LOL!

[Ru]

Yep.

The Evil 12-Year-Old has a boyfriend who, after six months, I am just beginning to acknowledge with more than a grunt.

On the other hand, her girlfriends are beginning to look, you know, hot ...

Perv

[rob on the job]

Perv

I think it would be refreshing to see a Republican chasing an underaged girl for a change.

[Ru]

I think it would be refreshing to see a Republican chasing an underaged girl for a change.

:rofl:

You know I was just joking.