Republicans: You Reap What You've Sown

[anEinherjer]

The Republicans: Swept into office in '94 on a platform of small government. Recall, if you will (thanks to Reason for reminding me) Phill Gramm saying that the people "didn't send us here to raise taxes half as much as Bill Clinton, increase spending half as much as Bill Clinton, or increase regulations half as much as Bill Clinton."

He was right.

But the Republicans quickly gave up on that, as amply evidenced particularly in the last 6 years when they've had no real opposition to stop their perversions.

They've done this to themselves.

The people didn't change their minds about small-government ideals, the Republicans changed their plans and did the opposite of what they promised.

**** 'em.

[Green Lantern]

It is the neo-cons. They have hijacked the Republican party.

[rob on the job]

Yeah, the Republicans became awful comfortable in the government against which they railed.

A common failure among reformers in all times and all places.

It'll be a good thing for the GOP to be on the outs, to reconnect with their core beliefs ... and to let the thoroughly inexperienced and unorganized Democrats hang themselves.

[Proteus]

Yeah, the Republicans became awful comfortable in the government against which they railed.

A common failure among reformers in all times and all places.

It'll be a good thing for the GOP to be on the outs, to reconnect with their core beliefs ... and to let the thoroughly inexperienced and unorganized Democrats hang themselves.

This is BS. How are the Dems inexperienced and unorganized? You just made that up. There is no basis for why you would say that. Complete BS statement, and I'm sure that you would like to see the Dems fail. Even though it would hurt the country. Bush and the Republican agenda have hijacked this country and last night was the first step in taking it back.

[anEinherjer]

How much experience do the Dems have running Congress in the last decade, Proteus? What the hell do you expect a Repub to say, that the Dems will do a bang-up job running the show???

[Meathead]

im not at all convinced the dems will do a good job but its hard to imagine they wont do a better job

im just happy we bitchslapped the wingnut movement back to the fringe where they are far less dangerous. lets give them some scissors and matches to play with

[rob on the job]

This is BS. How are the Dems inexperienced and unorganized? You just made that up. There is no basis for why you would say that. Complete BS statement, and I'm sure that you would like to see the Dems fail. Even though it would hurt the country. Bush and the Republican agenda have hijacked this country and last night was the first step in taking it back.

The Democrats are inexperienced and unorganized in running this country. It's been more than a decade since they last controlled Congress and ran the committees and wrote the legislation, etc.

Plain and simple, the Democrats will have to remember how to run federal government.

Forced to make a choice, I'd rather see the Democrats succeed and live in a prosperous country than for the Democrats to fail and the GOP voted in to run a demolished nation. But thanks for trying to put words in my mouth.

[Proteus]

How much experience do the Dems have running Congress in the last decade, Proteus? What the hell do you expect a Repub to say, that the Dems will do a bang-up job running the show???

They haven't had control over the last decade you're right, but there are plenty of democratic congress men and women who have been in congress for a while and have plenty experience. What I'm saying is for Rob to come out and say what he did is complete BS. Does a democratic congressman or woman who has been around for 12 years not have experience because his party has not been in control? No that's complete BS. The democrats in congress are just experienced as the republicans and that's why what he said is BS and the two of you are living in fantasy land.

[Proteus]

The Democrats are inexperienced and unorganized in running this country. It's been more than a decade since they last controlled Congress and ran the committees and wrote the legislation, etc.

Plain and simple, the Democrats will have to remember how to run federal government.

Forced to make a choice, I'd rather see the Democrats succeed and live in a prosperous country than for the Democrats to fail and the GOP voted in to run a demolished nation. But thanks for trying to put words in my mouth.

Where did I put words in your mouth? More BS.

[rob on the job]

... What I'm saying is for Rob to come out and say what he did is complete BS. Does a democratic congressman or woman who has been around for 12 years not have experience because his party has not been in control? No that's complete BS. The democrats in congress are just experienced as the republicans and that's why what he said is BS and the two of you are living in fantasy land.

OK, Proteus, lesson-time.

Power in Congress is in the hands of the committees. The committees and their chairmen decide which issues go forward, which laws get passed ... by the time a measure goes before the full House for approval, eight times out of 10 it's already a done deal because all the grunt-work was done in committee.

Running a committee requires constant wheeling and dealing, counting noses, making deals, hearing pitches ... something the Democrats have not done in 12 years. They simply have not been part of the DC power structure since 1994 and have had next to no say in pushing the agenda.

The Democrats are experienced at only one thing: being the opposition party.

They have not run a Congress and set the agenda for committees or negotiate with the president about a budget or other bills.

That's inexperience. I'm sorry that hurts you, but it is the truth.

[rob on the job]

Where did I put words in your mouth? More BS.

... I'm sure that you would like to see the Dems fail. Even though it would hurt the country.

Your apology is accepted.

[Gibby]

The Republicans: Swept into office in '94 on a platform of small government. Recall, if you will (thanks to Reason for reminding me) Phill Gramm saying that the people "didn't send us here to raise taxes half as much as Bill Clinton, increase spending half as much as Bill Clinton, or increase regulations half as much as Bill Clinton."

He was right.

But the Republicans quickly gave up on that, as amply evidenced particularly in the last 6 years when they've had no real opposition to stop their perversions.

They've done this to themselves.

The people didn't change their minds about small-government ideals, the Republicans changed their plans and did the opposite of what they promised.

**** 'em.

It is the neo-cons. They have hijacked the Republican party.

Good posts by both of you.

[Flan]

It is all part of the process that make America great. In those 12 years many democrats have retired or left office. It is time for some fresh faces. I heard onone of the talk shows that the senior ranking Dems. are much more liberal than the democrats they are leading. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Some real leader of conscience may emerge....

[rob on the job]

It is all part of the process that make America great. In those 12 years many democrats have retired or left office. It is time for some fresh faces. I heard onone of the talk shows that the senior ranking Dems. are much more liberal than the democrats they are leading. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Some real leader of conscience may emerge....

Indeed.

And let's hope that this real leader of conscience is not selected by Oprah Winfrey.

[Meathead]

these republicans have a ton of experience

unfortunately its almost all bad

nnnext

[JLB]

Bull Crap!!!

[JLB]

OK, Proteus, lesson-time.

Power in Congress is in the hands of the committees. The committees and their chairmen decide which issues go forward, which laws get passed ... by the time a measure goes before the full House for approval, eight times out of 10 it's already a done deal because all the grunt-work was done in committee.

Running a committee requires constant wheeling and dealing, counting noses, making deals, hearing pitches ... something the Democrats have not done in 12 years. They simply have not been part of the DC power structure since 1994 and have had next to no say in pushing the agenda.

The Democrats are experienced at only one thing: being the opposition party.

They have not run a Congress and set the agenda for committees or negotiate with the president about a budget or other bills.

That's inexperience. I'm sorry that hurts you, but it is the truth.


Right on the money hopefully somebody paid attention Rob!!!!!!!

[rob on the job]

these republicans have a ton of experience

unfortunately its almost all bad

nnnext

Are you talking about EVERY Republican leader/committee chairman in the House and Senate?

[Proteus]

OK, Proteus, lesson-time.

Power in Congress is in the hands of the committees. The committees and their chairmen decide which issues go forward, which laws get passed ... by the time a measure goes before the full House for approval, eight times out of 10 it's already a done deal because all the grunt-work was done in committee.

Running a committee requires constant wheeling and dealing, counting noses, making deals, hearing pitches ... something the Democrats have not done in 12 years. They simply have not been part of the DC power structure since 1994 and have had next to no say in pushing the agenda.

The Democrats are experienced at only one thing: being the opposition party.

They have not run a Congress and set the agenda for committees or negotiate with the president about a budget or other bills.

That's inexperience. I'm sorry that hurts you, but it is the truth.

Really, lesson time? Thanks dick but I know how the government works. You said the dems are unorganized and inexperienced. Saying they are unorganized is a complete assumption by you unless you work with these politicians on a day to day basis and know them personally. So that is BS. As far as them being inexperienced, well that is also BS. Every politician knows how the congress works. Do you think these people sit around in congress for 10 or 15 years without learning anything. Yes the dems are about to start running the committees in congress. The people who will lead those committees are EXPERIENCED democrats that have been in congress for an extended period of time. They are not freaking morons. Does Charles Rangel who will be the head of the ways and means committee and also a member of congress since 1971 not have experience? That is why what you said is BS. Thank you and I will wait for your concession post.

[JLB]

Really, lesson time? Thanks dick but I know how the government works. You said the dems are unorganized and inexperienced. Saying they are unorganized is a complete assumption by you unless you work with these politicians on a day to day basis and know them personally. So that is BS. As far as them being inexperienced, well that is also BS. Every politician knows how the congress works. Do you think these people sit around in congress for 10 or 15 years without learning anything. Yes the dems are about to start running the committees in congress. The people who will lead those committees are EXPERIENCED democrats that have been in congress for an extended period of time. They are not freaking morons. Does Charles Rangel who will be the head of the ways and means committee and also a member of congress since 1971 not have experience? That is why what you said is BS. Thank you and I will wait for your concession post.

Rangel is an old man true whoelse you got?

[Papaduke]

Just ask Bill Clinton, nothing helps an embattled president that to have a Congress that he can shift the blame to. Also, it seems to me that alot of the Democrats wins were conservative Democrats over some moderate Republicans, one could make the case the House became more conservative last night.

[rob on the job]

Really, lesson time? Thanks dick but I know how the government works. You said the dems are unorganized and inexperienced. Saying they are unorganized is a complete assumption by you unless you work with these politicians on a day to day basis and know them personally. .

Matter of fact, sonny, I did for 27 years as a newspaper reporter and editor, and I do now in my position as a municipal official.

And yes, Democrats are inexperienced in running committees and they are unorganized when it comes to mustering votes to push items through committees.

And that an assesment was shared with me by a friend who is an aide to -- ta-dah! -- Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass.

[JoeMama]

Really, lesson time? Thanks dick but I know how the government works.

LOL!

For some reason, I really like this response.

Seems like a very apt, candid way to respond to condescension in general.

[sukie]

Just ask Bill Clinton, nothing helps an embattled president that to have a Congress that he can shift the blame to. Also, it seems to me that alot of the Democrats wins were conservative Democrats over some moderate Republicans, one could make the case the House became more conservative last night.

We'll see how conservative they were when it's tax raising time next summer.

[rob on the job]

... For some reason, I really like this response. ....

Figures.

[mark3274]

The Democrats are inexperienced and unorganized in running this country. It's been more than a decade since they last controlled Congress and ran the committees and wrote the legislation, etc.

Plain and simple, the Democrats will have to remember how to run federal government.

Forced to make a choice, I'd rather see the Democrats succeed and live in a prosperous country than for the Democrats to fail and the GOP voted in to run a demolished nation. But thanks for trying to put words in my mouth.

lol

and the repukes governed so well
IRAQ
BUild a fence
war on terror .......

[sukie]

Hey Rob... When are the Kyoto documents gonna get dusted off?

[rob on the job]

Hey Rob... When are the Kyoto documents gonna get dusted off?

I believe they are being enshrined in the National Archives as we speak.

Within a month, kindergarteners will be reciting the Accord instead of the Pledge of Allegiance.

http://www.ltgov.ms.gov/Images/pledge.jpg

[TheGoodShepherd]

Matter of fact, sonny, I did for 27 years as a newspaper reporter and editor, and I do now in my position as a municipal official.

And yes, Democrats are inexperienced in running committees and they are unorganized when it comes to mustering votes to push items through committees.

And that an assesment was shared with me by a friend who is an aide to -- ta-dah! -- Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass.

LOL at rob's reporting days. His pieces must have been the worst most inaccurate articles.

[JoeMama]

Figures.

Hey, condescension tends to elicit that kind of response.

Don't kill the messenger just because I appreciate that kind of candor.

[sukie]

Seriously... The tax increase has to be pushed this summer so that the public can possibly forget when the real race commences in 07.

[rob on the job]

LOL at rob's reporting days. His pieces must have been the worst most inaccurate articles.

I'm sure they were compared to the jewels you produce here.

Why don't you show us a demonstration of your tough, terse reporting style, Chimp?

C'mon.

Dazzle us.

[rob on the job]

Just what I figured.

Dead silence.

[Proteus]

Matter of fact, sonny, I did for 27 years as a newspaper reporter and editor, and I do now in my position as a municipal official.

And yes, Democrats are inexperienced in running committees and they are unorganized when it comes to mustering votes to push items through committees.

And that an assesment was shared with me by a friend who is an aide to -- ta-dah! -- Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass.

Now they are inexperience at running committees, before they were just inexperienced. Well I suppose anyone who hasn't had control over congress for an extended period of time would be inexperienced at running the committees they control, but the only way to get that experience is by doing it and I don't think it's going to take a long time for them to figure it out or it will be anything that will halt legislation, like you make it out to be. Also now they are not unorganized but unorganized when it comes to mustering votes to push items through committees, by the way is a completely different statement from what you original said. Plus I seriously doubt you have any intimate knowledge as to how organized or unorganized the new democratic leadership in the house now matter what your friend tells you.

[rob on the job]

Now they are inexperience at running committees, before they were just inexperience. Well I suppose anyone who hasn't had control over congress for an extended period of time would be inexperienced at running the committees they control, but the only way to get that experience is by doing it and I don't think it's going to take a long time for them to figure it out or it will be anything that will halt legislation, like you make it out to be. Also now they are not unorganized but unorganized when it comes to mustering votes to push items through committees, by the way is a completely different statement from what you original said. Plus I seriously doubt you have any intimate knowledge as to how organized or unorganized the new democratic leadership in the house now matter what your friend tells you.

Yeah. Right. Whatever.

[TheGoodShepherd]

I'm sure they were compared to the jewels you produce here.

Why don't you show us a demonstration of your tough, terse reporting style, Chimp?

C'mon.

Dazzle us.

I find it hard to take you seriously. Your reading comprehension skills are so freakin bad. I don't see how the F anyone would you let you become a reporter.

Then again, you were reporting in the States right? You don't need brains to report in Uncle Sam country.

[Proteus]

Yeah. Right. Whatever.

You convinced me.

[rob on the job]

I find it hard to take you seriously. Your reading comprehension skills are so freakin bad. I don't see how the F anyone would you let you become a reporter.

Then again, you were reporting in the States right? You don't need brains to report in Uncle Sam country.

Ooooh, I'm pierced by your rapier-like wit.

Everyone run! Chimp is taking no prisoners!

[JLB]

Just ask Bill Clinton, nothing helps an embattled president that to have a Congress that he can shift the blame to. Also, it seems to me that alot of the Democrats wins were conservative Democrats over some moderate Republicans, one could make the case the House became more conservative last night.

Very accurate observation but I have the same concerns as Sukie!!!

[Proteus]

Very accurate observation but I have the same concerns as Sukie!!!

Nope, Bush is pretty much a lame duck president now.

[Flan]

Repubilcanism Lost, Conservativism did not. The people have spoken....

[rob on the job]

Nope, Bush is pretty much a lame duck president now.

On this, we can agree, Proteus.

[JLB]

Nope, Bush is pretty much a lame duck president now.
Of course he's a lame duck! The comment I agreed with was that many Dems elected last night were new Dems slightly more conservative in nature.
That's a good thing for all of us agreed?

[Ralonzo]

This is BS. How are the Dems inexperienced and unorganized? You just made that up. There is no basis for why you would say that. Complete BS statement, and I'm sure that you would like to see the Dems fail. Even though it would hurt the country. Bush and the Republican agenda have hijacked this country and last night was the first step in taking it back.

That's a silly post. Even if rob's statement was BS, your statement is even more inane since rob said something while you have said nothing at all.

Dems in Congress have been on the outside looking in for 12 years, and have driven no agenda. Worse, their tenured members due for chairmanship positions are the most hardcore leftists in the party, holdovers elected by default from little enclaves of lunacy. This is sort of a "hijacking by attrition" of the Democrat party that has evolved since the 1994 bloodletting.

The Democrat elevation yesterday was a result of their strategy to present centrist and conservative candidates in areas where that plays - which is most of America - and for the rest of them to STFU. The entirety of the Democratic message was "we aren't Republicans" and "Republicans suck". They sure didn't campaign to the socialist agenda of their leadership. When the Looney Left leadership oversteps their perceived mandate, the majority of Americans who are horrified by that socialist agenda will roundly reject them. It's all cyclical, really.

[rob on the job]

... Even if rob's statement was BS ....

Which it was NOT, of course.

The Democrats are inexperienced and unorganized when it comes to the inner workings of federal government. It's not a partisan observation; it's an accurate observation.

Where people like Proteus might be pleasantly surprised is how quickly the Democrats can remember/learn how to be the party in charge.

[Proteus]

Which it was NOT, of course.

The Democrats are inexperienced and unorganized when it comes to the inner workings of federal government. It's not a partisan observation; it's an accurate observation.

Where people like Proteus might be pleasantly surprised is how quickly the Democrats can remember/learn how to be the party in charge.

Jigga What?

[ddpderek]

A lot of moderate Dems got voted in like Casey, Webb, and others but they still have the same basic beliefs as the core.

the dems are very powerful right now and have a lot of people in power that know what they are doing. In the House we have Pelossi, Hoyer, Emanual, Rangel, Wexler are just a few all of which who have seen how it works and know what they are doing. They are ready to do it thier way now.

In the Seante we have pretty much all of the face power Clinton, Obama, Biden, Kennedy, Kerry (i know i know), and others. They know what they are doing and will do a great job.

The Dems will be more willing to work with the Repubs then the Repubs were willing to work with them and that says a lot.


Also as a side not not everyone who got elected was middle of the road as Senator that Vermonte elected is an Independent who has said he is a socialist.

[nehemiah]

republicans were out of power for 40 years before 1994, you poptarts.

get a clue.

that "inexperienced" argument sucks a fat one.

[TheGoodShepherd]

Which it was NOT, of course.

The Democrats are inexperienced and unorganized when it comes to the inner workings of federal government. It's not a partisan observation; it's an accurate observation.

Where people like Proteus might be pleasantly surprised is how quickly the Democrats can remember/learn how to be the party in charge.

Reallly. You're not beng to be specific rob. In what departments are they inexperienced?

[35Pete]

The Republicans: Swept into office in '94 on a platform of small government. Recall, if you will (thanks to Reason for reminding me) Phill Gramm saying that the people "didn't send us here to raise taxes half as much as Bill Clinton, increase spending half as much as Bill Clinton, or increase regulations half as much as Bill Clinton."

He was right.

But the Republicans quickly gave up on that, as amply evidenced particularly in the last 6 years when they've had no real opposition to stop their perversions.

They've done this to themselves.

The people didn't change their minds about small-government ideals, the Republicans changed their plans and did the opposite of what they promised.

**** 'em.

AND THAT IS WHY I QUIT THE PARTY!!!!

BRAVO!!!! POST OF THE MONTH. :clapper:

[г]

It'll be a good thing for the GOP to be on the outs, to reconnect with their core beliefs ...

Rubbin' is Racin' ?

[35Pete]

A lot of moderate Dems got voted in like Casey, Webb, and others but they still have the same basic beliefs as the core.

the dems are very powerful right now and have a lot of people in power that know what they are doing. In the House we have Pelossi, Hoyer, Emanual, Rangel, Wexler are just a few all of which who have seen how it works and know what they are doing. They are ready to do it thier way now.

In the Seante we have pretty much all of the face power Clinton, Obama, Biden, Kennedy, Kerry (i know i know), and others. They know what they are doing and will do a great job.

The Dems will be more willing to work with the Repubs then the Repubs were willing to work with them and that says a lot.


Also as a side not not everyone who got elected was middle of the road as Senator that Vermonte elected is an Independent who has said he is a socialist.

The first thing the reps should have done in 1994 was ignore the democrats entirely. Just ignore them. Take them out of the picture and make them irrelevant. Give them no influence in government whatsoever.

Mistake #1.

The second thing that they should have done was kept their promises.

Mistake #2.

[shiva2999]

republicans were out of power for 40 years before 1994, you poptarts.

get a clue.

that "inexperienced" argument sucks a fat one.

No shit.

[Meathead]

The first thing the reps should have done in 1994 was ignore the democrats entirely. Just ignore them. Take them out of the picture and make them irrelevant. Give them no influence in government whatsoever.
that may be dumbest thing ever posted on prs

[anEinherjer]

No meat, what Pete says is true. From a purely strategic standpoint, the Repubs tactic of "out-lefting" the left failed utterly.

From the stupid NCLB act to the expensive Prescription Drug fiasco to the inability to repair (or better, dismantle) Social Security (even Patrick Moynihan wanted to do that).... The Repubs tried to work with the left and pass some of their statist crap and all it got them was more crap.

The Repubs, starting in 94, should have just run their agenda, pure and simple. Let the left stonewall, eventually it would have worked (see welfare reform in 96).

But no. Apparently, nehemiah, they were inexperienced. They ****ed up. And now it is the left's turn to try not to **** it up - Rob's point. It's not an argument at all. Many on the right are saying "good luck!" and of course hoping for the left to flop. Do you blame them?

[anEinherjer]

AND THAT IS WHY I QUIT THE PARTY!!!!

BRAVO!!!! POST OF THE MONTH. :clapper:

And yet, people around here still give you crap for it. Anyway, thanks. I told nehemiah I'd start a better thread than his. ;)

[nehemiah]

pete didn't quit the party.

come on, man, give up the charade.

[anEinherjer]

Giving the old "giving up your philosophy so soon?" routine a new try, eh nehemiah? You guys tried that one on me many times a couple years ago...

[deconstruction]

Nope, Bush is pretty much a lame duck president now.

QUACK!!!!!!!!!

[35Pete]

QUACK!!!!!!!!!

Ohh he's a lame duck alright. And thank God!

[nehemiah]

Giving the old "giving up your philosophy so soon?" routine a new try, eh nehemiah? You guys tried that one on me many times a couple years ago...give me a break.

pete says "i'm not a republican"... meanwhile, he supports EVERY ****ing republican policy out there.

:rolleyes:

okey dokey.

[anEinherjer]

Wow, you really aren't reading anything Pete writes, are you? Bah, I don't have to defend him.

[35Pete]

give me a break.

pete says "i'm not a republican"... meanwhile, he supports EVERY ****ing republican policy out there.

:rolleyes:

okey dokey.

Such as? Name ten. If I agree I'll say so. Then I'll name at least ten that I despise.

[35Pete]

Wow, you really aren't reading anything Pete writes, are you? Bah, I don't have to defend him.

You'd be proud of me anEin. (not that I seek anyone's **** ing approval LOL).

I voted for an independant senator and a libertarian congressman.

Made no difference. But I wanted third parties to know that support for them is there.

[anEinherjer]

:rofl:

I have a feeling that must have felt pretty strange - not pulling the lever for the R's.

[35Pete]

I find it hard to take you seriously. Your reading comprehension skills are so freakin bad. I don't see how the F anyone would you let you become a reporter.

Then again, you were reporting in the States right? You don't need brains to report in Uncle Sam country.

Woaaahhh. This is BREAKING NEWS.

From Gallop Polls,

Number of people on the Range that don't take Rob seriously: Chimp plus the two pom pom wavers.

Number of people on the Range the don't take Chimp seriously. Everyone to a person except the two pom pom wavers.

[35Pete]

:rofl:

I have a feeling that must have felt pretty strange - not pulling the lever for the R's.

Honestly? I felt like a free man.

[shiva2999]

Woaaahhh. This is BREAKING NEWS.

From Gallop Polls,

Number of people on the Range that don't take Rob seriously: Chimp plus the two pom pom wavers.

Number of people on the Range the don't take Chimp seriously. Everyone to a person except the two pom pom wavers.

GALLUP.

As in George Gallup, the guy that started the ****ing company.

I hate reading this mistake. It's so stupid.

[anEinherjer]

No, Pete meant "Gallop" as in "This news is racing across the Range like a horse!"

Or something. :)

[nehemiah]

I voted for an independant senator and a libertarian congressman.what about the other races?

just out of curiousity.

[anEinherjer]

He voted for a horse, three small rodents, and a bag of potato chips.

I voted for beer. Always for beer.

By the way, my thread totally kicked the crap out of yours. 100 more views and more posts. :arizona: :D