the "conservative" movement is dead

[nehemiah]

it has been completely repudiated with this election. democrats win both houses of congress. whoulda thunk it?

this is the worst defeat by a ruling party in the history of America.

george w. bush made conservatism overt.... people saw how stupid an idea it really is....... kicked the ever-loving snot out of those idiots professing it.



:arizona:

life is good.

[Green Lantern]

Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

[Flan]

Conservatism is not dead, Thhis maifestation of it certainly is, But conservatism as a philosophy is very much alive. Many democrats won as conservative democrats.

[Ralonzo]

Nothing of the sort. Dems won because they ran so many centrists and even conservatives. They moved right and had success. The GOP core foundered due to Bush's fiscal liberalism. Republicans will need to move right to reclaim and re-energize their base. If anything, the movement to conservatism is picking up steam nationwide as both parties will now be trending that way.

Any belief by the hard-left leadership in Congress that this election is a mandate to implement their true agenda - the one they dared not mention during the campaign since it's been so resoundlingly and repeatedly rejected by America - will be absolutely disastrous for them in the next cycle.

[Jro]

Bush's rule is dead.

Conservatism is not. Not at all. In fact many of the dems that just won are much more conservative then the typical democrat.

PS: Have you seen the results of the gay marriage bans?

[Meathead]

their dysfunctional neo-conservative (aka. wingnut) movement is certainly dead (for the next decade anyway) but i dont think the conservative movement in general is

lets face it, they totally bastardized conservatism for their own gain and power. they completely lost their way and the people know that. the gop will now be forced to adapt and to do so rather dramatically. theres some good people in that party and if they emerge as the leaders they could recover very quickly

with the dems holding both houses for two years i wouldnt at all be surprised to see a republican candidate dominate next presidential election. that movement could be alive and well and i dont have a problem with it

[rob on the job]

it has been completely repudiated with this election. democrats win both houses of congress. whoulda thunk it?

this is the worst defeat by a ruling party in the history of America.

george w. bush made conservatism overt.... people saw how stupid an idea it really is....... kicked the ever-loving snot out of those idiots professing it.



:arizona:

life is good.

Nehemiah, if I didn't know you were being tongue-in-cheek, I would think this was the stupidest, most-over-the-top, kneejerk thing ever said by anybody.

[pmoon6]

Geeorge Bush isn't a conservative.

[Green Lantern]

Nothing of the sort. Dems won because they ran so many centrists and even conservatives. They moved right and had success. The Republicans will need to move right to reclaim and re-energize their base. If anything, the movement to conservatism is picking up steam nationwide.

Any believe by the hard-left leadership in Congress that this election is a mandate to implement their true agenda - the one they dared not mention during the campaign since it's been so resoundlingly and repeatedly rejected by America - will be absolutely disastrous for them in the next cycle.

The Republicans need to remember that it is the middle-ground, independent voter who swings elections and move accordingly left. Just as they did in '94 under Gingrich.

[JoeMama]

Conservatism is nowhere near dead.

To the contrary, I think the failure of Republicans to push traditional conservative values cost them more than any other factor in this election.

Interventionism in Iraq isn't conservative. Excessive gov't spending isn't conservative. Gov't infringement upon civil liberties isn't conservative.

I don't think there's going to be a massive swing towards liberalism. The conservative vote will be back in favor of the Republicans once they get serious about traditional conservative values again. Being in the majority for so long made them soft & lazy. The voters made them pay.

And it's not like people voted in liberal Democrats. Conservative & moderate democrats made the biggest gains.

[anEinherjer]

Dumbest thread in a while, nehemiah. I'll go start a better one.

[JLB]

Very silly so........................ LMAO!!!

Nehe what ..................... do you mean lol.

[pigpen65]

Geeorge Bush isn't a conservative.

Does that make conservatives supporting him retarded? Because i think it does.

[Green Lantern]

Dumbest thread in a while, nehemiah. I'll go start a better one.

Doubt it.

[Jro]

Does that make conservatives supporting him retarded? Because i think it does.
No. Bush isn't conservative but he's more conservative than Kerry. and Gore.

[pmoon6]

Does that make conservatives supporting him retarded? Because i think it does.True conservatives have stopped supporting him, so I would say yes, the ones still supporting him are retarded.

[JLB]

Does that make conservatives supporting him retarded? Because i think it does.

No only the Dems who took him as conservative would be *********.

[Green Lantern]

No. Bush isn't conservative but he's more conservative than Kerry. and Gore.

Every election it is like this: lesser of two liberals.

[Meathead]

Does that make conservatives supporting him retarded? Because i think it does.
is this a trick question

[JoetheDictator]

conservatism, like communism, is a very good idea. I like conservatism in some ways but the Bushite Neocon form of it is dead. Thank you Jesus for hearing my prayers.

[rob on the job]

conservatism, like communism, is a very good idea. I like conservatism in some ways but the Bushite Neocon form of it is dead. Thank you Jesus for hearing my prayers.

Be careful what you wish for ...

[anEinherjer]

Doubt it.

Claiming that that non-conservatives running the Republican party ****ed up the conservative philosophy is stupid. You have even posted the same thing: "lesser of two liberals"....

[Green Lantern]

Claiming that that non-conservatives running the Republican party ****ed up the conservative philosophy is stupid. You have even posted the same thing: "lesser of two liberals"....

Hi!

How ya' doin?

[JoetheDictator]

Be careful what you wish for ...

You know me Rob, I will watch the DNC as closely as I did the GOP. I want good government and well I say lets see what the Dems can do because quite frankly the GOP ****ed us over big time. Lets hope the DNC doesn't do the same.

[JoeMama]

Does that make conservatives supporting him retarded? Because i think it does.

LOL!

Yes.

I'll even go so far to say that conservatism, in the traditional sense, is a good political philosophy. Limited gov't, limited spending, states rights, non-interventionism, etc.

All of which have been abondoned by the neocons.

[rob on the job]

You know me Rob, I will watch the DNC as closely as I did the GOP. I want good government and well I say lets see what the Dems can do because quite frankly the GOP ****ed us over big time. Lets hope the DNC doesn't do the same.

Well, I look forward to Day One under the Democratic rule, when the Age of Aquarius begins.

Of course, if a day goes by without the further enlightenment of mankind from the Democrats, I might make mention of the fact.

[Flan]

"Bring Out Your Dead.....Bring Out Your Dead"

"I'm not dead yet.

I'm feeling much better.

I think I'll go for a walk'

[nehemiah]

the progressives ****ed up the conservatives all across the country.

people see that "conservatism", as it stands today, is a horse manure idea.

it has been completely, irrevocably, repudiated.

[shiva2999]

Republicans thought being a conservative made it okay to be an ass hole.

It doesn't.

The problem is there are way more ass holes in America than true conservatives.

Like on this board for example.

[Tedp]

Republicans thought being a conservative made it okay to be an ass hole.

It doesn't.

The problem is there are way more ass holes in America than true conservatives.

Like on this board for example.

with that logic you must be an extraordinary conservative shiva!

[Meathead]

people see that "conservatism", as it stands today, is a horse manure idea.

it has been completely, irrevocably, repudiated.
:rockstar: :rockstar: :rockstar:

[shiva2999]

with that logic you must be an extraordinary conservative shiva!

No Ted, I'm not, because I don't believe it's okay to be an ass hole.

But then you know that.

[K-Gun]

Bush's rule is dead.

Conservatism is not. Not at all. In fact many of the dems that just won are much more conservative then the typical democrat.

PS: Have you seen the results of the gay marriage bans?

Jro's right, it's just like Strauss said, just cause Hitler's a big meanie doesn't mean the principals he's "suppossed" to stand for are wrong.

[uppy]

True conservatives have stopped supporting him, so I would say yes, the ones still supporting him are retarded.

You go with what you have,besides the only thing Bush has F-up is the

borders,and the rules of engagement in the war on terror

[deconstruction]

it has been completely repudiated with this election. democrats win both houses of congress. whoulda thunk it?

this is the worst defeat by a ruling party in the history of America.

george w. bush made conservatism overt.... people saw how stupid an idea it really is....... kicked the ever-loving snot out of those idiots professing it.



:arizona:

life is good.

Unfortunately, its like a hydra. We have to burn the stumps.

[K-Gun]

This is what consrvatism looks like this morning:

http://www.shortarmguy.com/newbrainvention2.jpg

[shiva2999]

Unfortunately, its like a hydra. We have to burn the stumps.

NOW you're getting it.

[35Pete]

LOL!

Yes.

I'll even go so far to say that conservatism, in the traditional sense, is a good political philosophy. Limited gov't, limited spending, states rights, non-interventionism, etc.

All of which have been abondoned by the neocons.

You really mean that?

[uppy]

This is so entertaining the libbys win some seats and thay belive thay have

changed the world.

LMAO

Enjoy the two years of your leaders in congress making asses of them selfs.

It will put Newt in the WH and give the GOP total control in both Houses.

[35Pete]

Unfortunately, its like a hydra. We have to burn the stumps.
Bush and this rep party are frauds. Don't confuse things.

Joe and anEin are right. This needed to happen and I am glad that it did. But those of us opposed to your philospophy seek not only to destroy the core of this cancer, but to ruin the lives of those involved. I want despair for these people. They are trying to ruin my nation.

[anEinherjer]

the progressives ****ed up the conservatives all across the country.

people see that "conservatism", as it stands today, is a horse manure idea.

it has been completely, irrevocably, repudiated.

"irrevocably". Come on man, this thread gets dumber and dumber!

However the "as it stands today" qualifier is a good one, considering that today's "conservatism" (you are even kind enough to put the "it's not the real conservatism" quotes around it!) is a far cry from its roots.

Pete, of course Joe means it, he's been a closet anarchist for a long while now - I might even be so bold as to label him a left libertarian while you and I are more right-leaning.

[deconstruction]

Staying the course on completely absurd notions is the right's gift to the left.

[Ralonzo]

Don't worry guys. The Dems changed the world in 1976 too.

[uppy]

Jimmy Carter was the man

[K-Gun]

Look at the grin on Rumy's face, bet he's not smirking today.

http://www.awolbush.com/rumsfeld_saddam.jpg

[Ralonzo]

I bet the guy on the right is smirking less.

[K-Gun]

I bet the guy on the right is smirking less.

That might sting if I gave a **** about the guy on the right. Your worldview just got sacked alone with the guy on the left. ouch, that's gotta hurt.

[uppy]

I bet the guy on the right is smirking less.


ROTFLMAO

[K-Gun]

ROTFLMAO

That might sting if I gave a **** about the guy on the right. Your worldview just got sacked alone with the guy on the left. ouch, that's gotta hurt.
...

[gilchristfan]

it has been completely repudiated with this election. democrats win both houses of congress. whoulda thunk it?

this is the worst defeat by a ruling party in the history of America.

george w. bush made conservatism overt.... people saw how stupid an idea it really is....... kicked the ever-loving snot out of those idiots professing it.



:arizona:

life is good.

:ROFL: Not out here, in a conservative state that just turned a purplish hue yesterday. We just needed to get rid of a few whackos (Phill Kline, Jim Ryun, a few nuts on the Board of Education)

If Kathleen Sebilius had raised taxes during her first term, she never would have gotten reelected.

[35Pete]

Staying the course on completely absurd notions is the right's gift to the left.
Decon. It's really the hard-core leftist leadership that I despise. Perhaps some of this fresh blood, the more conservative ones will be a good thing.

Staying the course would have been disastarous.

And it lets parties know not to take us for granted. I know by voting libertarian and independant (after voting lifelong Rep) that I indirectly sent my message.

Hopefully lame duck status will put an end to the Patriot Act.

[nehemiah]

:ROFL: Not out here, in a conservative state that just turned a purplish hue yesterday. We just needed to get rid of a few whackos (Phill Kline, Jim Ryun, a few nuts on the Board of Education)

If Kathleen Sebilius had raised taxes during her first term, she never would have gotten reelected.all in good time, counselor.

muhahahahahahhaaaaa

all your tax are belong to poor, brown people!!!!

[anEinherjer]

Hey, poor brown people can have all my tax. We just won't pay as much. :D

[JoeMama]

You really mean that?

Of course I mean that.

My contempt for the Republican party is not a rejection of traditional conservative values.

It's the complete opposite.

I like limited gov't, I like limited spending, & I like less encroachment on civil liberties.

Also, my main point of disgust with the GOP is their marriage to the religious right & their penchant for theocracy ever since the late 1970's. I customarily viewed the Republicans as the good guys that wanted to lower your taxes & stay out of your personal life up until that point.

And let's be honest. Though it bucks conventional wisdom, the Democrats have been the better party when it comes to limited gov't, limited spending, & the defense of civil liberties over the past 15 years.

A point of reference is something that -- believe it or not -- Neal Boortz, of all people, mentioned this morning. According to Boortz, Clinton only raised federal spending by about 9%. Where as Bush increased federal spending by roughly 20%, which does NOT include funding for the war on terrorism.

He's not conservative in the traditional sense. He's this bizarre, unethical, unprincipled variation of conservative & I'm glad that the American public held him & the GOP accountable for it on Tuesday.

[sukie]

Because his healthcare spending plan was turfed by congress. That was a big part of it.

[gilchristfan]

all in good time, counselor.

muhahahahahahhaaaaa

all your tax are belong to poor, brown people!!!!

Not mine. I'm starting a militia and registering it as tax exempt.

[sukie]

My sports garage is now the official church of beer. Tax exempt. Services held Friday nights and Sundays.

[JoeMama]

Because his healthcare spending plan was turfed by congress. That was a big part of it.

Excuses, excuses.

It's not very difficult to acknoledge that George Bush is a ****up when it comes to spending.

You gotta chug a lot of kool-aid to deny &/or rationalize that aspect of his presidency.

Come on, no one is gonna buy that shit.

[sukie]

Oh I agree... The Kerry plan however (as posted in JohnKerry.com) would have been disasterous financially on top of the war spending.

[gilchristfan]

My sports garage is now the official church of beer. Tax exempt. Services held Friday nights and Sundays.

You need to complete one of these (Form 1023- Application for Recognition of Exemption). Don't mention that you voted straight line Republican on the application. They'll consider it a political organization


http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1023.pdf

and you owe me 200 chips for the tax advice.

[ckg68]

My sports garage is now the official church of beer. Tax exempt. Services held Friday nights and Sundays.

What,you forgot all day Saturday too? Are we supposed to go dry on that day just because there's college football going on? Whazupwitdat? :D

[JoeMama]

Oh I agree... The Kerry plan however (as posted in JohnKerry.com) would have been disasterous financially on top of the war spending.

Sure.

Democrats have been better with money the past 15 years.

Any politician would be hardpressed to match Bush's spending, let alone surpass it.

So let's acknowledge that fact right away.

[sukie]

I already did but also pointed out that upping the number of entitlements would be economic suicide. Hopefully this new congress is truly more centrist.

[Meathead]

my main point of disgust with the GOP is their marriage to the religious right & their penchant for theocracy ever since the late 1970's. I customarily viewed the Republicans as the good guys that wanted to lower your taxes & stay out of your personal life up until that point.

And let's be honest. Though it bucks conventional wisdom, the Democrats have been the better party when it comes to limited gov't, limited spending, & the defense of civil liberties over the past 15 years.

...
He's not conservative in the traditional sense. He's this bizarre, unethical, unprincipled variation of conservative & I'm glad that the American public held him & the GOP accountable for it on Tuesday.
correctamundo

it wasnt just the war it was also the american taliban that got bitchslapped

in fact for me its actually the latter with the war being a symptom of that disease

praise allah weve finally excised that vile cancer from our midst

http://www.more-than.net/images/bitch.jpg

[JoeMama]

the american taliban that got bitchslapped

LOL!

That's an apt title for the BA.

[Bellowing4DaBills]

praise allah weve finally excised that vile cancer from our midst

You're nuts if you think the religious right has been excised from American politics.