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shiva2999
October 27th, 2006, 10:21:45 PM
I tried to exerpt this article but I couldn't. Every paragraph is gold.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=12172

Battlestar Galacticons
A close look at the right's scary affinity for sci-fi foreign policy punditry.
By Brad Reed
Web Exclusive: 10.27.06


As the midterm elections approach, many conservatives are feeling betrayed by one of their most important allies in the war on terror: Battlestar Galactica.

Over the sci-fi show's first two seasons, many conservatives saw it as a pitch-perfect metaphor for the United States’ post-9/11 battle against Osama bin Laden and his Muslamonazi horde. Galactica, which has become something of a surprise hit on the Sci Fi Channel, takes place in a post-apocalyptic universe where humanity has been decimated by a nuclear strike launched by an enemy race of robots known as the Cylons. Most of the action revolves around a noble band of 50,000 survivors who hurtle through space searching for a new home planet. Along the way, they have had to deal with Cylon sleeper agents, suicide bombers, and even a sinister pack of left-wingers who use violence to try to force humanity to make peace with their enemies.

“The more I watch the new Battlestar Galactica series, the more the Cylons seem like Muslims,” wrote “Michael,” the author of the Battlestar Galactica Blog, back in March. “They believe they are killing humans for their god. This is very much like the Muslim concept of jihad, which instructs Muslims to spread their religion through war.”

National Review’s Jonah Goldberg, who writes regularly about Galactica’s politics on NRO’s group blog, The Corner, also picked up on parallels between the show and the war on terror. Goldberg took particular glee in attacking Galactica’s anti-war movement, which he said consisted of “radical peaceniks” and “peace-terrorists” who “are clearly a collection of whack jobs, fifth columnists and idiots.” Goldberg also praised several characters for trying to rig a presidential election. “I liked that the good guys wanted to steal the election and, it turns out, they were right to want to,” wrote Goldberg. Stolen elections, evil robots, crazed hippies … what more could a socially inept right-winger want from a show?

But alas, this love affair between Galactica and the right was not to last: in its third season, the show has morphed into a stinging allegorical critique of America’s three-year occupation of Iraq. The trouble started at the end of the second season, when humanity briefly escaped the Cylons and settled down on the tiny planet of New Caprica. The Cylons soon returned and quickly conquered the defenseless humans. But instead of slaughtering everyone, the Cylons decided to take a more enlightened path by “benevolently occupying” the planet and imposing their preferred way of life by gunpoint. The humans were predictably not enthused about their allegedly altruistic rulers, and they immediately launched an insurgency against them using improvised explosive devices and suicide bombers. Needless to say, this did not go over very well in the Galacticon camp.

“The whole suicide bombing thing … made comparisons to Iraq incredibly ham-fisted,” wrote a frustrated Goldberg, who had hoped the struggle against the Cylons would look more like Le Resistance than the Iraqi insurgency. “The French resistance vibe … is part of what makes the Iraq comparison so offensive. It’s a one-step remove from comparing the Iraqi insurgency to the (romanticized) French resistance.”

Fellow Corner writer John Podheretz shared Goldberg’s assessment, and chided conservative fans of the show who were still in denial about its sudden leftward drift. “Message to BSG fans on the Right,” wrote Podheretz sternly. “You cannot … come up with some cockamamie explanation whereby it’s not about how we Americans are the Cylons and the humans are the ‘insurgents’ fighting an ‘imperialist’ power.”

Even hardcore devotees like Michael the Battlestar Galactica Blogger found this new Cylons-as-Americans development hard to stomach. “Has this show jumped the shark?” he wondered. “The writers are … putting the humans in the position of being the terrorists.” Like Goldberg, he also took exception to the use of suicide bombings, which he said wouldn’t work against Cylons because “terrorist tactics only work against the United States and Israel because we’re too good to wipe all of them out.”


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In a way, it’s understandable why Galactica’s new political bent has created such a stir among some conservatives. As President Bush’s approval ratings have steadily slid down since the 2004 elections, and as violence in Iraq has continued to surge, many of the Galacticons have turned to science fiction and fantasy as the basis for their policy ideas. The most recent example comes from soon-to-be-ex-Senator Rick Santorum, who compared the Iraq war to the fight against Sauron in The Lord of the Rings. "As the hobbits are going up Mount Doom, the Eye of Mordor is being drawn somewhere else,” said Santorum, who went onto explain that the Iraq war had drawn the “eye” of the terrorists away from America. “It’s being drawn to Iraq, and it’s not being drawn to the U.S. And you know what? I want to keep it on Iraq. I don’t want the Eye to come back here to the United States.”

Sadly, Santorum was only the latest in a slew of right-wingers to base policy arguments on shameless dorkery. Last year, a Star Trek rerun inspired Minnesota Star-Tribune columnist and warblogger James Lileks to concoct a plan that would eliminate any liberals who opposed abusing prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. “It’s time to institute Disintegration Chambers in our major American cities,” wrote Lileks, referring to a Star Trek episode that featured two tribes who preferred to fight wars by disintegrating their own people rather than sending them into live combat. Even though the episode was actually an allegory about the perverse methods governments use to shield their people from the brutal costs of war, Lileks took quite a fancy to the idea of forced disintegration, especially for his ideological foes.

“Here’s the deal,” he wrote. “We decide what constitutes torture, and identify it as the following: insufficient air conditioning, excess air conditioning, sleep deprivation, being chained to the floor, and other forms of psychological stress … Those who disagree with these techniques must sign a record that registers their complaints. When a terrorist finally spills the details on a forthcoming attack on, say, Chicago, the people who signed the register and live in Chicago are required to report to the disintegration chamber.”

Of course, even this bloodthirsty rant pales in comparison to the dorkofascist musings of Jonathan Last, the Weekly Standard editor whose review of Star Wars: Attack of the Clones was a love letter to imperialism. “The deep lesson of Stars Wars is that empire is good,” wrote Last, who justified his Empireophelia by arguing that the old Galactic Republic had become “simply too big to be governable,” and that the galaxy needed an empire to fill the void. Last acknowledged that the Empire was “sometimes brutal” but that acts of planeocide weren’t so bad “when viewed in context.” Last also showered praise upon Emperor Palpatine, whom he dubbed “an esoteric Straussian” and “a dictator ... but a relatively benign one, like Pinochet.”


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The most notable thing about the Galacticons is that even when they aren’t directly referencing science fiction, they still sound like total space cadets when discussing American military power. As they understand it, America is an omnipotent level-20 Warmage with 19 Strength and 20 Charisma who can wipe out entire armies of mariliths, gold dragons, and goblinoids with the flick of a wrist.

During a recent debate on Meet the Press, Tim Russert asked former GOP House Majority Leader Newt Gingrich if having 130,000 of our troops stuck in Iraq had reduced our ability to deal effectively with Iran and North Korea. “Only in our minds,” Gingrich replied. Glenn Reynolds, the prominent transhumanist conservative blogger, once wrote that the problem with Bush’s approach to the war on terror wasn’t that he got our military stuck in an Iraqi civil war, but rather that he “hasn’t been vigorous enough in toppling governments and invading countries in that region.” And William Kristol, one of America’s preeminent sci-fi foreign policy thinkers, said in the aftermath of Israel’s failed bombing campaign against Hezbollah that American should take the opportunity to launch a preemptive strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities. “Why wait?” asked the dweeby Galacticon sage. Such fantasies of military conquest are particularly galling since the Galacticons really don’t seem to think that waging multiple preemptive wars would have any adverse consequences. The world, it seems, is their Risk board.

Of course, it’s easy to talk tough about invading multiple nations if you’re not the one doing any of the work. The thrill the Galacticons get from watching the Iraq war on their TVs is the same thrill the typical Mountain Dew-swilling reject feels watching Battlestar Galactica; it’s only fun for them because they’re not going through it themselves. But this is sadly what characterizes much of Bush’s approach to the war on terror, which has been less about real sacrifice than cheap voyeuristic thrills and empty feel-good platitudes -- combined with foolhardy notions of American omnipotence in the world. While the outright buffoonery of the Galacticon jingonauts is certainly amusing, the overall Galacticazation of American war policy is anything but.

Brad Reed is a writer living in Boston. He blogs frequently at Sadly, No!.

uppy
October 27th, 2006, 10:45:26 PM
LMAO


the libby press keeps up the GOP is going to lose BS.....its funny.

life is good !

Shiva,what are you going to say when the house and senate stays GOP ?

1. the elections are fixed

2. see # 1

I am looking forward to the answer.


bet ?

Gibby
October 27th, 2006, 10:46:09 PM
please seek professional help shiva.

coastal
October 27th, 2006, 10:48:42 PM
The Cylons were cool.

uppy
October 27th, 2006, 10:52:14 PM
He posts a thread he can't defend ?

thats my BOY

coastal
October 27th, 2006, 10:52:21 PM
I tried to exerpt this article but I couldn't. Every paragraph is gold.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=12172

Battlestar Galacticons
A close look at the right's scary affinity for sci-fi foreign policy punditry.
By Brad Reed
Web Exclusive: 10.27.06


As the midterm elections approach, many conservatives are feeling betrayed by one of their most important allies in the war on terror: Battlestar Galactica.

Over the sci-fi show's first two seasons, many conservatives saw it as a pitch-perfect metaphor for the United States’ post-9/11 battle against Osama bin Laden and his Muslamonazi horde. Galactica, which has become something of a surprise hit on the Sci Fi Channel, takes place in a post-apocalyptic universe where humanity has been decimated by a nuclear strike launched by an enemy race of robots known as the Cylons. Most of the action revolves around a noble band of 50,000 survivors who hurtle through space searching for a new home planet. Along the way, they have had to deal with Cylon sleeper agents, suicide bombers, and even a sinister pack of left-wingers who use violence to try to force humanity to make peace with their enemies.

“The more I watch the new Battlestar Galactica series, the more the Cylons seem like Muslims,” wrote “Michael,” the author of the Battlestar Galactica Blog, back in March. “They believe they are killing humans for their god. This is very much like the Muslim concept of jihad, which instructs Muslims to spread their religion through war.”

National Review’s Jonah Goldberg, who writes regularly about Galactica’s politics on NRO’s group blog, The Corner, also picked up on parallels between the show and the war on terror. Goldberg took particular glee in attacking Galactica’s anti-war movement, which he said consisted of “radical peaceniks” and “peace-terrorists” who “are clearly a collection of whack jobs, fifth columnists and idiots.” Goldberg also praised several characters for trying to rig a presidential election. “I liked that the good guys wanted to steal the election and, it turns out, they were right to want to,” wrote Goldberg. Stolen elections, evil robots, crazed hippies … what more could a socially inept right-winger want from a show?

But alas, this love affair between Galactica and the right was not to last: in its third season, the show has morphed into a stinging allegorical critique of America’s three-year occupation of Iraq. The trouble started at the end of the second season, when humanity briefly escaped the Cylons and settled down on the tiny planet of New Caprica. The Cylons soon returned and quickly conquered the defenseless humans. But instead of slaughtering everyone, the Cylons decided to take a more enlightened path by “benevolently occupying” the planet and imposing their preferred way of life by gunpoint. The humans were predictably not enthused about their allegedly altruistic rulers, and they immediately launched an insurgency against them using improvised explosive devices and suicide bombers. Needless to say, this did not go over very well in the Galacticon camp.

“The whole suicide bombing thing … made comparisons to Iraq incredibly ham-fisted,” wrote a frustrated Goldberg, who had hoped the struggle against the Cylons would look more like Le Resistance than the Iraqi insurgency. “The French resistance vibe … is part of what makes the Iraq comparison so offensive. It’s a one-step remove from comparing the Iraqi insurgency to the (romanticized) French resistance.”

Fellow Corner writer John Podheretz shared Goldberg’s assessment, and chided conservative fans of the show who were still in denial about its sudden leftward drift. “Message to BSG fans on the Right,” wrote Podheretz sternly. “You cannot … come up with some cockamamie explanation whereby it’s not about how we Americans are the Cylons and the humans are the ‘insurgents’ fighting an ‘imperialist’ power.”

Even hardcore devotees like Michael the Battlestar Galactica Blogger found this new Cylons-as-Americans development hard to stomach. “Has this show jumped the shark?” he wondered. “The writers are … putting the humans in the position of being the terrorists.” Like Goldberg, he also took exception to the use of suicide bombings, which he said wouldn’t work against Cylons because “terrorist tactics only work against the United States and Israel because we’re too good to wipe all of them out.”


---
In a way, it’s understandable why Galactica’s new political bent has created such a stir among some conservatives. As President Bush’s approval ratings have steadily slid down since the 2004 elections, and as violence in Iraq has continued to surge, many of the Galacticons have turned to science fiction and fantasy as the basis for their policy ideas. The most recent example comes from soon-to-be-ex-Senator Rick Santorum, who compared the Iraq war to the fight against Sauron in The Lord of the Rings. "As the hobbits are going up Mount Doom, the Eye of Mordor is being drawn somewhere else,” said Santorum, who went onto explain that the Iraq war had drawn the “eye” of the terrorists away from America. “It’s being drawn to Iraq, and it’s not being drawn to the U.S. And you know what? I want to keep it on Iraq. I don’t want the Eye to come back here to the United States.”

Sadly, Santorum was only the latest in a slew of right-wingers to base policy arguments on shameless dorkery. Last year, a Star Trek rerun inspired Minnesota Star-Tribune columnist and warblogger James Lileks to concoct a plan that would eliminate any liberals who opposed abusing prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. “It’s time to institute Disintegration Chambers in our major American cities,” wrote Lileks, referring to a Star Trek episode that featured two tribes who preferred to fight wars by disintegrating their own people rather than sending them into live combat. Even though the episode was actually an allegory about the perverse methods governments use to shield their people from the brutal costs of war, Lileks took quite a fancy to the idea of forced disintegration, especially for his ideological foes.

“Here’s the deal,” he wrote. “We decide what constitutes torture, and identify it as the following: insufficient air conditioning, excess air conditioning, sleep deprivation, being chained to the floor, and other forms of psychological stress … Those who disagree with these techniques must sign a record that registers their complaints. When a terrorist finally spills the details on a forthcoming attack on, say, Chicago, the people who signed the register and live in Chicago are required to report to the disintegration chamber.”

Of course, even this bloodthirsty rant pales in comparison to the dorkofascist musings of Jonathan Last, the Weekly Standard editor whose review of Star Wars: Attack of the Clones was a love letter to imperialism. “The deep lesson of Stars Wars is that empire is good,” wrote Last, who justified his Empireophelia by arguing that the old Galactic Republic had become “simply too big to be governable,” and that the galaxy needed an empire to fill the void. Last acknowledged that the Empire was “sometimes brutal” but that acts of planeocide weren’t so bad “when viewed in context.” Last also showered praise upon Emperor Palpatine, whom he dubbed “an esoteric Straussian” and “a dictator ... but a relatively benign one, like Pinochet.”


---
The most notable thing about the Galacticons is that even when they aren’t directly referencing science fiction, they still sound like total space cadets when discussing American military power. As they understand it, America is an omnipotent level-20 Warmage with 19 Strength and 20 Charisma who can wipe out entire armies of mariliths, gold dragons, and goblinoids with the flick of a wrist.

During a recent debate on Meet the Press, Tim Russert asked former GOP House Majority Leader Newt Gingrich if having 130,000 of our troops stuck in Iraq had reduced our ability to deal effectively with Iran and North Korea. “Only in our minds,” Gingrich replied. Glenn Reynolds, the prominent transhumanist conservative blogger, once wrote that the problem with Bush’s approach to the war on terror wasn’t that he got our military stuck in an Iraqi civil war, but rather that he “hasn’t been vigorous enough in toppling governments and invading countries in that region.” And William Kristol, one of America’s preeminent sci-fi foreign policy thinkers, said in the aftermath of Israel’s failed bombing campaign against Hezbollah that American should take the opportunity to launch a preemptive strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities. “Why wait?” asked the dweeby Galacticon sage. Such fantasies of military conquest are particularly galling since the Galacticons really don’t seem to think that waging multiple preemptive wars would have any adverse consequences. The world, it seems, is their Risk board.

Of course, it’s easy to talk tough about invading multiple nations if you’re not the one doing any of the work. The thrill the Galacticons get from watching the Iraq war on their TVs is the same thrill the typical Mountain Dew-swilling reject feels watching Battlestar Galactica; it’s only fun for them because they’re not going through it themselves. But this is sadly what characterizes much of Bush’s approach to the war on terror, which has been less about real sacrifice than cheap voyeuristic thrills and empty feel-good platitudes -- combined with foolhardy notions of American omnipotence in the world. While the outright buffoonery of the Galacticon jingonauts is certainly amusing, the overall Galacticazation of American war policy is anything but.

Brad Reed is a writer living in Boston. He blogs frequently at Sadly, No!.

And btw... the smack you not only bring to the table but create is unequaled.

No wonder the rabid pack has yet to catch up to you.

nehemiah
October 27th, 2006, 10:52:28 PM
old battlestar galactica was the bomb. the new show sucks a fat one.


btw, missile defense (the "star wars" program) was the idea of which sci-fi author?

10000 chips to the first correct answer.

Gibby
October 27th, 2006, 11:05:02 PM
old battlestar galactica was the bomb. the new show sucks a fat one.


btw, missile defense (the "star wars" program) was the idea of which sci-fi author?

10000 chips to the first correct answer.

I agree Neh the classic BSG was awesome

Was it Isaac Asimov?

shiva2999
October 27th, 2006, 11:06:45 PM
LMAO


the libby press keeps up the GOP is going to lose BS.....its funny.

life is good !

Shiva,what are you going to say when the house and senate stays GOP ?

1. the elections are fixed

2. see # 1

I am looking forward to the answer.


bet ?

Why are you getting hysterical?

Bizarre.

nehemiah
October 27th, 2006, 11:28:17 PM
Was it Isaac Asimov?nope.

dude was hired by ronnie rayguns.

ckg68
October 27th, 2006, 11:46:14 PM
Sorry,nehe,but the OLD one was so much cheese.

I prefer this one.

For starters,like all good sci-fi,it dares to ask questions that no other TV format would even try to address.

Put that aside,and it's STILL a damn good show. Well-acted and written,plus good SFX. Can't beat it.

Lucidvizion
October 27th, 2006, 11:47:14 PM
The new Battlestar Galactica show rocks the house.

Anybody who says otherwise:

a) has never seen it
or
b) can't follow multiple storylines and would rather watch campy, special effect/eye candy driven sci-fi

nehemiah
October 27th, 2006, 11:51:02 PM
The new Battlestar Galactica show rocks the house.

Anybody who says otherwise:

a) has never seen it
or
b) can't follow multiple storylines and would rather watch campy, special effect/eye candy driven sci-fii've seen it.

i can follow multiple storylines.

it still sucks fat, hairy, sweaty, canadian ass.

35Pete
October 28th, 2006, 6:30:48 AM
Funny.

I sat in on a thesis defense (as many of you have also) in 1994 and in the student's conclusion he spoke of computer's breaking the 1 GHz barrier within the decade. My PC at the time was a 33 MHz 486 with 2 MB of RAM and a 80 MB HD. He got a chuckle from a few professors. Not gonna happen in 10 years.

Guess they thought it was Sci-Fi.

twosheds
October 28th, 2006, 7:56:54 AM
Funny.

I sat in on a thesis defense (as many of you have also) in 1994 and in the student's conclusion he spoke of computer's breaking the 1 GHz barrier within the decade. My PC at the time was a 33 MHz 486 with 2 MB of RAM and a 80 MB HD. He got a chuckle from a few professors. Not gonna happen in 10 years.

Guess they thought it was Sci-Fi.

Simple application of Moore's law, actually. 33 MHz * 2^5=1056 MHz. Won't go on forever, of course, but there is still room for improvement.

Your computer sucked, btw. ;)

35Pete
October 28th, 2006, 8:39:04 AM
Simple application of Moore's law, actually. 33 MHz * 2^5=1056 MHz. Won't go on forever, of course, but there is still room for improvement.

Your computer sucked, btw. ;)

That's the point. Moore's law was not widely accepted in the early 90's. Many thought it was pie in the sky.


Two things will slow it down. mm-wave circuits are a NIGHTMARE to implement and the scaling within the processors (size of transistors, ect..) is approaching our current technological bounds.

Quantum memory research started in about 97'. Wild stuff. If an atom on the substrate has an extra electron then it is a "one", otherwise it is a zero.

How they pull this off boggles my mind.

mark3274
October 28th, 2006, 11:06:18 AM
LMAO


the libby press keeps up the GOP is going to lose BS.....its funny.

life is good !

Shiva,what are you going to say when the house and senate stays GOP ?

1. the elections are fixed

2. see # 1

I am looking forward to the answer.


bet ?


the better question is what will you do if you do not?
take the bridge? lol

what will you do when american troops leave iraq defeated and disgraced with a total complete Islamic theocracy worse than Iran rules Iraq and vows its 100 per cent hatred of america

will it kill you knowing 3000 plus american soldiers are dead for nothing?
wait..... they were defending freedome they did not die in vain......

Of course they did Iraq will never be free Your fight is for nothing.

I quess you can say the "served their country" but they are in a war that is lost already.

Gibby
October 28th, 2006, 11:52:56 AM
i've seen it.

i can follow multiple storylines.

it still sucks fat, hairy, sweaty, canadian ass.

Now to expose my geekdom even further. Its new startrek vs. TOS. Newer ones have better FX but the old one had the better story lines.

Gibby
October 28th, 2006, 11:54:54 AM
About SDI, does it even work or is it still a multi billion dollar waste of tax payer money?

nehemiah
October 28th, 2006, 4:24:18 PM
jerry pournelle, larry niven, and robert heinlein were the major driving forces behind SDI.

i'm keeping my chips....

btw, pournelle and niven write (really entertaining and awesome) books about armaggedon and heinlein was a bat-shit crazy "survivalist" (who also writes fantastic juvenile sci-fi)....

just who we want driving the brains of the space war machine, eh?

uppy
October 28th, 2006, 4:39:17 PM
the better question is what will you do if you do not?
take the bridge? lol

what will you do when american troops leave iraq defeated and disgraced with a total complete Islamic theocracy worse than Iran rules Iraq and vows its 100 per cent hatred of america

will it kill you knowing 3000 plus american soldiers are dead for nothing?
wait..... they were defending freedome they did not die in vain......

Of course they did Iraq will never be free Your fight is for nothing.

I quess you can say the "served their country" but they are in a war that is lost already.


I don't know what to say to this post Mark